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Something everyone is missing here - the IRS isn't required to grant first-time abatement requests, it's a discretionary administrative waiver. Since your situation involves a substantial underreporting (you mentioned 5 figures), they're less likely to approve an FTA even with a clean history. Your best bet is to focus on reasonable cause arguments rather than just the first-time abatement policy. Reasonable cause requires showing you exercised "ordinary business care and prudence" but still couldn't meet your tax obligations. Simply not knowing stocks were taxable probably won't meet that standard since the IRS considers that basic tax knowledge. Instead, focus on: 1) Your perfect compliance history, 2) The missing 1099-B, 3) Immediate payment once discovered, and 4) Any unique circumstances during that period (COVID challenges, health issues, etc). Also, your accountant should really be handling this appeal properly since their initial request was clearly inadequate.
This is really helpful context. If I'm understanding correctly, I should focus less on "I didn't know" and more on "I didn't receive the proper documentation and had no reason to know I was missing anything." Would it also help to mention that these were childhood stocks my husband had forgotten about until we needed the down payment? They weren't part of our regular investment activities.
You've got it exactly right. "I didn't know" is weak, but "I didn't receive the required documentation and had no reasonable way to know I was missing it" is much stronger. Definitely mention that these were childhood stocks outside your normal financial activities - that's important context that shows why this was an unusual situation rather than negligence. Also highlight that you've been fully compliant for 28+ years, immediately paid when notified, and that this was a one-time event related to a home purchase during exceptional circumstances (COVID housing market). These elements together build a much more compelling case than what your accountant originally submitted.
Just a practical tip - if you do submit the appeal, make sure you're tracking EVERYTHING. Send all correspondence certified mail with return receipt, keep copies of everything, and maintain a log of all communications with dates, times and who you spoke with. The IRS isn't great at keeping track of taxpayer communications, and if your appeal gets lost or delayed (which happens frequently), you'll need evidence of when you submitted it. I learned this the hard way when they claimed they never received my first appeal, and I had no proof of sending it. Also, if you're already working with an accountant who dropped the ball on the first request, consider finding someone with specific experience in penalty abatements and appeals. Not all tax pros are equal when it comes to dealing with the IRS collections and appeals processes.
This is such good advice. When I filed my appeal last year, I used USPS certified mail with return receipt AND took photos of all the documents before sending. The IRS initially claimed they never got page 3 of my documents, but I had proof it was included. Having that documentation was the difference between winning and losing my case.
As someone who works with low-income families, I wanted to add some clarity about UTMA accounts and benefits: 1) TANF (cash assistance) - Most states don't count a child's UTMA as household assets if the child is a minor AND the parent/guardian can prove they don't have access to the funds. 2) SNAP (food stamps) - Generally doesn't count UTMA assets against the household if they're inaccessible to the adults. 3) Medicaid - Rules vary by state, but most don't count restricted assets like UTMAs for eligibility. The most important thing is disclosure. Always report the account exists, then provide documentation showing it's restricted. Much better than having benefits terminated later for non-disclosure!
Thank you so much for this breakdown! Would a letter from the bank managing the UTMA count as documentation that it's restricted? And do we need to report the balance of the account or just that it exists?
A letter from the bank would definitely help! Ask specifically for documentation stating it's a custodial account with withdrawal restrictions until you reach the age of majority (18 or 21 depending on your state). You generally need to report both the existence of the account and its current balance. However, the good news is that even though you're reporting the balance, the agency will likely classify it as an "excluded asset" based on the restrictions. Make sure to keep records of everything you submit, and if possible, get written confirmation from your benefits caseworker about how they're classifying the account. This documentation will help if there are ever questions in the future.
Just wanted to share my experience as a 17yo with a part-time job and a UTMA. My grandma set up a UTMA for me when I was 10. For the job income: I made about $8k last year but still filed taxes to get back the money withheld from my checks (got like $400 back!) For the UTMA: It earned about $300 in dividends and interest. My parents accountant said I didn't technically need to file for that since it was under $1,150, but we did anyway just to keep everything proper. The most important thing was documentation. We gave our HUD housing office copies showing it was a restricted account that nobody could touch until I turn 21. They wrote in their notes that it doesn't count toward our household income/assets.
Did your grandma have to file any gift tax returns when she put money in your UTMA? My parents are worried about that part.
My tax guy says the standard deduction is so high now ($13,850 for single filers in 2024) that most people don't even need to itemize anymore, which means most receipt-tracking is pointless unless you're self-employed or have a ton of other deductions that would push you over that threshold.
But aren't there still some above-the-line deductions that you can take even if you don't itemize? I thought stuff like HSA contributions and student loan interest didn't require itemizing?
You're absolutely right about above-the-line deductions! Those don't require itemizing and can be claimed in addition to the standard deduction. Common above-the-line deductions include HSA contributions, student loan interest (up to $2,500), certain IRA contributions, and self-employment tax. These appear on Schedule 1 of Form 1040 and reduce your adjusted gross income directly.
Does anyone know if the IRS has an official list somewhere of what receipts we actually need to keep? I've heard different things about how long to keep them too - 3 years? 7 years?
The IRS recommends keeping records that support income, deductions, or credits for 3 years from when you filed the return. But if you underreport income by more than 25%, keep records for 6 years. For property records (like your home), keep them until you sell the property plus 3 more years.
11 Sometimes you can get your tax forms early if you just call and ask nicely! I needed my 1099-R for a loan application, called my investment company, and they emailed me a copy the same day even though they hadn't officially "released" them yet. Doesn't always work but worth trying if you're in a hurry.
8 Does that work with W-2s too? My HR department acts like they're guarding state secrets whenever I ask for anything.
11 It's less consistent with W-2s because larger companies often use third-party payroll processors that release all forms at once. But smaller companies that handle payroll in-house might be able to generate yours early if you explain why you need it. With financial institutions like banks and investment companies, they're usually more flexible because they generate these forms on an ongoing basis. Your HR department probably has stricter policies because they're dealing with everyone's payroll data at once.
17 If you filed last year using TurboTax, H&R Block, or most other tax software, they often have a feature that lets you import your W-2 directly from your employer before you physically receive it. Worth checking if your employer participates in their direct import program - saved me tons of time last year!
Isabella Silva
The big jump in taxes makes sense mathematically. Your income went up by about 69% (from $410k to $693k) but your tax liability went up by about 130% (from $82k to $189k). This is expected because of our progressive tax system. Each additional dollar you earn gets taxed at your highest marginal rate. For 2024, the top marginal federal rate is 37% for income over $693,750 (married filing jointly). So almost all of your increase in income was taxed at that highest rate. Here's a rough calculation: - At $410k: You were probably in the 32% or 35% bracket for your highest dollars - At $693k+$18k: You're now solidly in the 37% bracket My advice? Definitely consider a CPA at your income level. DIY tax software is great for simpler situations, but a good CPA could potentially save you thousands through proper tax planning.
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Keisha Williams
ā¢This breakdown is super helpful, thank you. I think I didn't fully grasp how progressive taxation would impact such a big income jump. Do you have any specific advice on how to calculate the right withholding amount for next year when my income will be dropping significantly?
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Isabella Silva
ā¢For withholding with a significant income drop, you'll want to be strategic. The safest approach is to ensure you withhold at least 110% of your 2024 tax liability since that provides a safe harbor against penalties regardless of your 2025 actual liability. But if you want to be more precise, use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator tool and update your W-4 with your employer. Input your expected 2025 income of $500k and it will calculate appropriate withholding. I'd recommend rechecking quarterly to make sure you're on track. For high incomes with big fluctuations, many people set aside a dedicated savings account with 3-5% of all income to cover any potential shortfalls.
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Ravi Choudhury
Has anyone here used a tax pro from one of the big four accounting firms vs a local CPA? I'm wondering if it's worth the extra cost for high income situations like this.
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CosmosCaptain
ā¢I've used both. Big Four is much more expensive but honestly not worth it unless you have international income, complex business structures, or estate planning needs. A good local CPA who specializes in high-net-worth individuals will generally provide more personalized service at a fraction of the cost. I switched from PwC to a boutique CPA firm that specializes in tech executives and actually got better advice because they were more familiar with stock options, RSUs, and the specific tax situations people in our industry face.
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Ravi Choudhury
ā¢This is exactly what I needed to hear! I've been quoted $4,500 for tax prep from a Big Four firm and it seemed excessive. I'll look for a specialized local CPA instead. Thanks for sharing your experience.
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