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Miles Hammonds

Help! Missed Q4 2024 estimated tax payment - How to make late payment? IRS site only shows 2025 option. Need 1040-ES or just pay based on tax bracket?

I completely spaced on my estimated tax payment for Q4 2024 and now I'm trying to fix it before things get worse. When I go to the IRS website to make the payment online, it's only giving me options for tax year 2025 payments. Frustrating! I saw something about using the "pay towards your balance" option instead of the estimated tax option. Has anyone done this? Would this work for making a late Q4 payment? The other thing I'm confused about is whether I need to fill out that 1040-ES form. My eyes glazed over looking at it lol. My buddy who does his own taxes said I could just calculate a payment based on what tax bracket I'll be in and send that amount without the form. Is that true? Or should I just wait and deal with this when I file my 2024 taxes? Will the penalties be really bad if I just wait? This is my first year being self-employed and I'm still figuring things out...

Ruby Blake

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You definitely want to make that Q4 payment ASAP rather than waiting for your tax return filing. The IRS charges penalties based on how late your payment is, so the sooner you get it in, the less you'll pay in penalties. For making the late payment, you're right - the "Direct Pay" system on IRS.gov will only show 2025 for estimated payments now since we're in a new calendar year. You should use the "pay toward your balance" or "amount owed" option instead, and select "estimated tax" as the reason. This allows you to specify 2024 as the tax year. Regarding the 1040-ES form - you don't actually send this form to the IRS with your payment. It's just a worksheet to help you calculate your estimated payment amount. If you already know how much you need to pay, you can just make the payment directly without filling out the form again. The IRS will eventually send you a notice about the missed payment and any penalties/interest, but making the payment now will minimize those charges.

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Does the penalty start from the original due date (Jan 15 for Q4 I think?) or from April 15 when taxes are due? And roughly how much is the penalty? I'm in a similar situation and wondering if it's worth rushing to pay now or just waiting until I file.

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Ruby Blake

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The penalty starts from the original due date (January 16, 2025 for Q4 of 2024), not from the April filing deadline. This is why it's better to pay now rather than waiting. The penalty is calculated using the federal short-term interest rate plus 3 percentage points, which currently works out to around 8% annually. It's calculated daily, so every day you wait adds to what you'll owe. There's also potentially a failure-to-pay penalty of 0.5% per month on the unpaid amount, which can add up quickly.

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Ella Harper

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PrinceJoe

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How does taxr.ai handle irregular income? My problem is I made way more in Q4 than expected which is why I'm scrambling with these estimated payments. Would it adjust for that or just average everything out?

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Do they help with state estimated tax payments too? I'm in California and missed both state and federal Q4 payments. Their entire system is even more confusing than the IRS.

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Ella Harper

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It handles irregular income extremely well. You can enter your income by month or quarter, and it adjusts your estimated payment calculations accordingly. That's actually one of the features that helped me the most since my freelance income fluctuates a lot throughout the year. Yes, they definitely help with state estimated tax payments too, including California. I'm in New York, and the system walked me through both federal and state requirements. It even highlighted the differences between them and created separate payment instructions for each.

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PrinceJoe

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Daniel Rivera

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Sounds like a scam to me. Why would you need a service to call the IRS? I've never had issues getting through when I call right when they open. And they'd never waive penalties just because it's your "first time" - they have specific rules about penalty abatement.

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Owen Devar

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Connor Rupert

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Just want to add that if you wait until filing your 2024 taxes to deal with the missed Q4 payment, you'll likely face Form 2210 - Underpayment of Estimated Tax. The form calculates your penalty for not making timely estimated payments. Some tax software handles this automatically, but if you're filing yourself, it's another complication. The penalty isn't usually massive for most people (depends on the amount you owe), but it's still better to make the payment now to minimize it.

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Molly Hansen

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Would checking the "waiver" box on Form 2210 work in this situation? I heard you can request a waiver if you had an unusual income situation that affected your Q4 payment.

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Connor Rupert

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The waiver on Form 2210 only applies in specific situations. It works if you had a casualty, disaster, or other unusual circumstance that made it inequitable to impose the penalty, OR if you retired after 62 or became disabled during the tax year or previous year and the underpayment was due to reasonable cause. Just having an unexpected income increase in Q4 typically wouldn't qualify for a waiver. However, you might qualify for the "annualized income installment method" on the same form, which calculates your required estimated payments based on when you actually received income during the year. This can help if your income was significantly higher in later quarters.

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Brady Clean

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Has anyone here actually calculated what the penalty would be for a missed Q4 payment? I'm trying to figure out if it's worth the hassle of making a separate payment now vs just handling it when I file in April. If I owe roughly $2,000 for Q4, how bad would the penalty be?

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Skylar Neal

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I did this calculation recently. For a $2,000 missed Q4 payment, assuming you're paying it with your tax return around April 15, the penalty would be roughly $30-40. The underpayment penalty rate is currently about 8% annually, calculated daily. Q4 payment was due January 16, so that's about 3 months of penalty time, or about 2% total. It's not enormous, but why give the IRS free money if you can avoid it?

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FireflyDreams

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For the IRS website issue, you're absolutely right - since we're in 2025 now, the estimated tax payment option defaults to the current year. The workaround is to use "Make a Payment" and select "Apply Payment to Account" or "Amount Owed" instead of the estimated tax option. When you get to the payment screen, you can specify tax year 2024. Regarding the 1040-ES form - your buddy is partially right. You don't need to mail the form to the IRS, but you should still use it to calculate the correct payment amount rather than just guessing based on tax brackets. The form accounts for your specific situation, deductions, and credits. It's worth the 20 minutes to fill out, especially as a new self-employed person. Don't wait until you file your return. The underpayment penalty starts accruing from the original due date (January 16, 2025 for Q4 2024), not when you file. Even if the penalty isn't huge, making the payment now shows good faith and stops the daily interest charges. Plus, you'll have one less thing to worry about when tax season gets hectic. Welcome to self-employment! The estimated tax system takes some getting used to, but you'll get the hang of it.

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