1040es: question about estimated quarterly tax payments
I'm trying to complete my estimated quarterly taxes for this year and I'm completely stuck. Unfortunately, there's no way I can get my yearly taxes done by January 30th, so I really need to figure out these quarterly payments ASAP. I'm looking at the 2024 Self-Employment Tax and Deduction Worksheet, and I'm confused about line 6. It asks for something but I'm not sure what numbers I'm supposed to be putting in there. This is my first year being self-employed and I'm honestly pretty lost with all these different forms. Has anyone dealt with the 1040es before who might be able to point me in the right direction? I'm worried about getting penalized if I don't submit these quarterly estimates on time. Thanks in advance for any help!
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Mia Alvarez
Line 6 on the Self-Employment Tax and Deduction Worksheet is asking for your deductible portion of self-employment tax. This is calculated as 50% of your total self-employment tax (which you would have calculated on earlier lines of the worksheet). The 1040ES (Estimated Tax for Individuals) is designed to help you figure out your estimated tax payments if you have income that isn't subject to withholding. When you're self-employed, you need to make these quarterly payments because you don't have an employer withholding taxes from your paychecks. Don't worry too much about perfection with your first quarterly payment. The IRS mainly wants to see that you're making a good faith effort to pay what you owe throughout the year rather than waiting until tax time. If your income fluctuates, you can adjust your quarterly payments as the year goes on.
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Carter Holmes
•Thanks for explaining that! I'm also new to self-employment. Do I need to recalculate this for every quarterly payment or can I just divide my annual estimated amount by 4? And what happens if I miss the January deadline but make it up later?
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Mia Alvarez
•You can choose to pay equal quarterly payments based on your annual estimate - just divide by 4. This works well if your income is fairly steady throughout the year. If your income varies significantly between quarters, you can use the "annualized income installment method" (Form 2210) to calculate different payment amounts for each quarter based on what you actually earned. This is more complicated but can prevent overpayment if your income is seasonal or unpredictable.
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Sophia Long
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Angelica Smith
•How accurate has it been for you? I've tried other tax calculators that were way off and I ended up with a huge bill at the end of the year. Does it track actual income or just make projections?
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Logan Greenburg
•I'm kinda suspicious of these tax tools. How does it actually work with the IRS requirements? Like does it make sure you're paying enough each quarter to avoid penalties? Those safe harbor rules confuse me.
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Sophia Long
•It's been surprisingly accurate for me. Unlike basic calculators, it analyzes your actual income patterns and adjusts estimates based on your real earnings throughout the year. I've been using it for three quarters now and it's been spot on with what I actually owe. The tool specifically addresses the safe harbor rules that protect you from penalties. It calculates whether you're meeting the requirements for either paying 100% of last year's tax (110% if your income was over $150,000) or 90% of this year's tax. It gives you both options so you can choose the one that works better for your situation.
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Logan Greenburg
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Charlotte Jones
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Lucas Bey
•How does this actually work? Like, do they just call the IRS for you? Seems weird that a third party service can somehow get through faster than we can directly.
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Harper Thompson
•Yeah right. The IRS phone system is completely broken. There's no way this actually works - they're probably just taking your money and you're still waiting forever. Did you ACTUALLY talk to a real IRS agent or was it some random person pretending to be one?
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Charlotte Jones
•They don't call for you - they use technology to navigate the IRS phone system and hold your place in line. When they detect that an agent is about to answer, they connect the call to your phone. It's basically like having someone else do the holding for you. No, it was definitely a real IRS agent. I was skeptical too, but it worked exactly as advertised. I had specific questions about my 1040ES calculations and deductions that only an actual IRS employee could answer. They transferred me directly to the IRS call when an agent was available - it's not like they have their own tax advisors pretending to be IRS.
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Harper Thompson
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Caleb Stark
Just a quick tip for anyone new to estimated quarterly taxes - I found that the easiest way to handle the 1040ES for my first year was to pay 100% of last year's tax liability divided by 4 (or 110% if your AGI was over $150,000). That's a safe harbor method that guarantees no penalties even if you end up owing more when you file your annual return. The worksheet can be confusing, but this approach simplifies things a lot. You'll still need to settle up any difference when you file your annual taxes, but at least you won't get hit with underpayment penalties.
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Jade O'Malley
•That's helpful but what if your income this year is way different from last year? I made much more this year so I'm worried about owing a huge amount at tax time if I just base it on last year's taxes.
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Caleb Stark
•That's a valid concern. The safe harbor just protects you from penalties, but you're right that you could end up with a large tax bill if your income increases significantly. If you expect to make substantially more this year, you might want to use the regular worksheet method to calculate payments based on your projected current year income. You can also adjust your payments for future quarters if you realize you're not paying enough. Just remember that each quarterly payment has its own due date and covers specific periods of income, so adjusting later payments doesn't retroactively fix earlier underpayments.
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Hunter Edmunds
Has anyone tried using tax software like TurboTax or H&R Block to calculate their 1040ES payments? I'm wondering if it's worth paying for the self-employed versions just to figure out my quarterly estimates.
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Ella Lewis
•I use TurboTax Self-Employed and it does have a feature to calculate your quarterly payments. You input your estimated income for the year and it generates payment vouchers with the amounts. I've found it pretty helpful but it doesn't automatically adjust if your income changes during the year - you have to go back in and recalculate.
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