How to File Tax Extension for State and Federal While Still Paying What's Due by April 15?
I'm totally confused about how tax extensions work. I know I need more time to complete my returns this year, so I'm planning to file extensions for both federal and state taxes. The issue is, I've read in several places that even though I can get more time to FILE with an extension, I still need to PAY any taxes I owe by the original April 15 deadline. This has me completely stumped - if I don't have my return done yet (which is why I need the extension in the first place), how am I supposed to figure out exactly how much I owe by April 15? It seems like a catch-22. I need more time because I don't have everything together to complete my return, but I'm supposed to somehow know the exact amount I owe without completing that return? I'm trying to avoid penalties but this system seems impossible to navigate. Does anyone have experience with this? Do I just make my best guess at what I owe? What happens if I underestimate the amount? Would really appreciate some guidance here before I mess something up!
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Omar Farouk
This is actually a really common question! The extension is only for filing paperwork, not for paying what you owe. Here's how to handle it: You need to make an estimated payment by April 15 based on your best calculation of what you'll owe. The IRS understands it's an estimate. Try using last year's return as a starting point, then adjust for any major changes in your income or deductions this year. For federal taxes, you can file Form 4868 and make an estimated payment at the same time. Most states have similar extension requests. If you use tax software, they typically have calculators to help estimate what you might owe. If you end up overpaying, you'll get a refund when you file your complete return. If you underpay, you might owe some interest on the unpaid portion, but as long as you make a good faith effort to estimate correctly, you generally won't face major penalties.
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CosmicCadet
•Thanks for this explanation! Quick question - does the "safe harbor" rule apply here? I heard that if you pay at least 90% of what you end up owing or 100% of what you paid last year (whichever is smaller), you won't get hit with penalties even if your estimate isn't perfect. Is that true? Also, if my income increased significantly from last year, should I just add an extra cushion to be safe?
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Omar Farouk
•Yes, the safe harbor rule does apply! You're exactly right - if you pay either 90% of the current year's tax or 100% of last year's tax (110% if your AGI was over $150,000), you won't face an underpayment penalty. This makes using last year's tax liability a simple and safe approach for many people. For significant income increases, adding a cushion is definitely smart. Consider your current year's projected income and roughly calculate the additional tax that would apply to that increase. Tax brackets are progressive, so additional income is taxed at your highest marginal rate.
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Chloe Harris
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Diego Mendoza
•Does it work with state taxes too or just federal? I'm particularly worried about my state estimate since I moved mid-year and now have income from two different states.
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Anastasia Popova
•Sounds too good to be true honestly. How does it handle things like investment income or business expenses that might be different from previous years? I'm always skeptical of AI tools making tax predictions.
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Chloe Harris
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Anastasia Popova
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Sean Flanagan
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Zara Shah
•Wait, how does this actually work? Does it just put you on hold for you or something? I don't understand how a service can get you through to the IRS faster.
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NebulaNomad
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NebulaNomad
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Luca Ferrari
Don't forget that even after you estimate your federal payment, each state handles extensions differently! I learned this the hard way. For example, California automatically gives you the extension if you get a federal one, but you still need to pay the estimated amount. New York requires its own extension form AND payment. Some states don't charge interest if your estimate is reasonable while others are strict about it. Make sure you check your specific state's rules about extensions and payments - don't assume they follow the federal guidelines.
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Freya Andersen
•Thanks for bringing this up! Do you know if there's a quick resource that breaks down different state requirements? My situation is even more complicated because I moved mid-year and had income in multiple states.
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Luca Ferrari
•There isn't really one perfect resource that covers all states, but the Federation of Tax Administrators (taxadmin.org) has links to all state tax agencies where you can find the specific rules. For multi-state situations, each state you earned income in will have its own requirements. Most tax software platforms also have state-specific guidance built in if you're using one. They'll usually walk you through the proper forms needed for each state. With income in multiple states, you definitely want to be careful since some states have reciprocity agreements while others don't.
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Nia Wilson
Just to add something here that nobody mentioned - make sure you remember to pay ESTIMATED TAXES too if you're self-employed or have other income without withholding! This is separate from your extension payment. Q1 estimated taxes for 2025 are also due April 15th, the same day as the 2024 tax year deadline. So you might need to make TWO payments - one for what you still owe for 2024 (your extension payment) and one for Q1 estimated taxes for 2025. I made this mistake and got hit with penalties even though I thought I'd done everything right with my extension.
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Mateo Martinez
•Omg this is so important! I completely forgot about this last year and got hit with both penalties AND interest. It's especially confusing because you're paying for two different tax years on the same day. Do you just make two separate payments to the IRS and indicate which is which somehow?
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