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Liam Fitzgerald

Missed extended October 15th deadline for filing - what happens to late filing penalty now?

I screwed up pretty bad this year with my taxes. I filed an extension before the April 15th deadline because I was dealing with some complicated investments and needed extra time to sort everything out. The problem is, life got crazy busy with a job change and family stuff, and I completely missed the October 15th extended deadline too. Now I'm freaking out about the penalties. Here's what I'm confused about: when they calculate the late filing penalty (that 5% per month thing), do they start counting from the original April 15th deadline or from the October 15th extended deadline? Like, am I already on the hook for the full 25% penalty immediately since I missed October 15th, or do they just start counting the 5% per month from October? To make matters worse, I do owe taxes and haven't paid anything yet. I know there's a separate penalty for late payment, but right now I'm most concerned about this filing penalty situation. Really need to understand how badly I've messed up here.

GalacticGuru

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The late filing penalty works differently than you might think when you've filed an extension. Good news - the 5% per month late filing penalty starts counting from your extended deadline (October 15th), not from the original April deadline. So you're not immediately hit with the full 25%. However, you mentioned you owe tax and haven't paid yet. That's where you'll face more penalties because the extension to file doesn't extend your time to pay. You've likely been accruing the failure-to-pay penalty (0.5% per month) since April 15th, plus interest. At this point, you should file your return as soon as possible to stop the late filing penalty from growing larger. Each month or partial month adds another 5% (capped at 25% total). The combined penalties for late filing and late payment max out at 5% per month.

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Amara Nnamani

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Wait, are you sure about this? I always thought the extension was basically voided if you missed the October deadline, and then all penalties would revert back to April. Is this a recent change in tax law or something?

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GalacticGuru

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I'm certain about this. Filing an extension gives you until October 15th to file without incurring the late filing penalty. If you miss that extended deadline, the late filing penalty (5% per month) begins from October 15th, not April 15th. The extension isn't "voided" - you successfully extended your filing deadline, but now you're late for that new deadline. The confusion might be about the payment deadline. The extension doesn't postpone the payment due date, which remained April 15th. So while your late filing penalty starts from October, you've likely been accruing the failure-to-pay penalty (0.5% per month) since April 15th, plus interest on the unpaid amount.

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Does it actually give you detailed explanations of how they calculate everything? My tax situation is complicated with some business income and I'm always confused about which deadlines apply to what.

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Dmitry Ivanov

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Don't forget about reasonable cause! If you had legitimate reasons for missing both deadlines (serious illness, natural disasters, etc.), you can request penalty abatement based on reasonable cause. You'll need to provide documentation and write a letter explaining your situation. I missed deadlines due to a hospitalization, provided medical records, and the IRS removed all my penalties. Worth trying if your situation qualifies.

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Ava Garcia

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How long does the reasonable cause process typically take? And should I pay the penalties first while waiting for their decision or wait to see if they approve the abatement?

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Dmitry Ivanov

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The reasonable cause process usually takes about 30-45 days from when the IRS receives your request, though it can sometimes take longer during busy periods. If you're confident in your case, you can wait for their decision before paying the penalties. However, interest will continue to accrue on any unpaid tax and penalties. If you want to stop additional interest from accumulating, you can pay the penalties and tax now. If your reasonable cause request is approved, the IRS will refund what you've paid. Many tax professionals recommend paying first if you can afford it, just to stop the interest clock.

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Miguel Silva

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Just adding that if you use tax software like TurboTax or H&R Block to file late, they'll usually calculate all these penalties for you automatically. Saves a lot of headache trying to figure it out yourself.

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Zainab Ismail

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Are you sure about that? I used TurboTax last year for a late filing and didn't see anything about penalties being calculated.

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Omar Farouk

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I went through this exact same situation last year and can confirm what others have said - the late filing penalty does start from your extended October 15th deadline, not April. So you're not immediately hit with the maximum 25% penalty, which was a huge relief when I found out. However, here's what really caught me off guard: even though I filed an extension, I still owed estimated tax payments that should have been made quarterly throughout the year. Since I missed those AND the final payment due on April 15th, I was hit with both the failure-to-pay penalty (0.5% per month since April) plus interest on the unpaid amount. My advice is to file your return IMMEDIATELY to stop the late filing penalty from growing. Even if you can't pay the full amount owed, filing stops that 5% monthly penalty clock. Then you can set up a payment plan with the IRS for what you owe. The payment plan fees are usually much less painful than letting those penalties keep accumulating. Also, definitely look into first-time penalty abatement if you've been compliant for the past 3 years. It's basically a "get out of jail free" card that many people don't know about.

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