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Is this calculation correct? Form 8959 Additional Medicare Tax questions for MFS filing

I'm filing married filing separately with my husband in a community property state because of my student loan situation. We got an extension for 2023 taxes and hired a tax professional since neither of us really understands how to handle Form 8958 (community property allocation). I'm questioning if our tax preparer knows what they're doing either. The first draft they sent us didn't include Form 8959 (Additional Medicare Tax) in either of our returns. When I asked about it, they added the form but nothing changed in our calculations. The current paperwork shows my husband owes $3,200 while I'm getting a refund of $4,700 - partly because I claimed our child and didn't receive any of the economic impact payments for our child in 2023. I also had an extra $25 withheld from each paycheck throughout 2023 after what happened with our 2022 returns. Our preparer claims my husband didn't withhold enough, but I thought Form 8959 was supposed to help balance things out between spouses in our situation. I'm hesitant to trust this preparer after a previous experience in 2022 where a different preparer forgot to have either of us claim our child, forcing us to file an amended return (complete nightmare). This preparer's email signature says "Tax Return Preparer & Insurance Broker" so I'm not sure if they're a CPA or have the right credentials. Any insight would be appreciated! Edit: I mixed up the form numbers in my original post. The form the preparer completed was Form 8958 (not 8959). Sorry for the confusion!

You're right to question this. Forms 8958 and 8959 serve completely different purposes, which might explain some of your confusion. Form 8958 is the Allocation of Tax Amounts Between Certain Individuals in Community Property States - this is what you need when filing MFS in a community property state. It helps split income and deductions between spouses. Form 8959 is for the Additional Medicare Tax, which only applies if your income exceeds certain thresholds ($200,000 for single, $250,000 for MFJ, $125,000 for MFS). For your situation with MFS in a community property state, Form 8958 is definitely required. This form should allocate your community income and deductions between both returns. Generally, in a community property state, each spouse reports half of the community income and deductions even when filing separately. The large difference in outcomes (one owing, one refunding) seems unusual in a community property situation unless there's significant separate property income or other factors like claiming the child on one return. I'd recommend asking your preparer to walk you through exactly how they allocated your income and deductions on Form 8958.

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Does the child tax credit and EIP (stimulus) allocation override community property rules? I'm in a similar situation in California and confused about how this works.

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The child tax credit and economic impact payments don't override community property rules, but they're handled separately from the community property allocation. Tax credits and stimulus payments generally go to the spouse who claims the qualifying dependent. For community property allocation, each spouse reports half of community income and deductions, but credits like the Child Tax Credit go entirely to the spouse claiming the child. This can create significant differences in tax outcomes between spouses even in community property states. If you're in California, you'll need Form 8958 to properly allocate community income, but the credits would be claimed on just one return.

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I'm skeptical. How does it know the specific community property rules for different states? Arizona has different rules than California which has different rules than Texas, etc.

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Former tax preparer here - I think there's confusion about what these forms actually do. Form 8958 is required for MFS in community property states and splits income according to state rules. Form 8959 is only for Additional Medicare Tax for high earners. The big difference in outcomes you're seeing is probably because of credits and payments. While income is split 50/50 in a community property state, things like: - Child Tax Credit - Earned Income Credit - Economic Impact Payments (stimulus) - Excess withholding due to extra $25/paycheck These all go to just one spouse, not split 50/50. So one spouse could end up with a refund while the other owes money, even if income is properly split. I'd definitely question if your preparer knows what they're doing. That "Tax Return Preparer" title means they've met minimal requirements. They might not have specific training on community property states.

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Thank you so much for explaining this clearly! I didn't realize credits wouldn't be split 50/50 even if income is. That explains the difference in our outcomes. My husband and I are definitely going to find a CPA with specific experience in community property MFS returns for next year. The tax prep industry seems so unregulated - it's scary how many preparers don't understand these forms.

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You're welcome! You're absolutely right about the regulation issue. The "Tax Return Preparer" designation has very minimal requirements compared to CPAs or EAs (Enrolled Agents). For a complex situation like yours, I'd recommend finding either a CPA or an EA who specifically advertises experience with community property states and MFS filing. When interviewing potential preparers, ask them directly how many MFS returns they do annually for clients in community property states. If they can't answer that specifically or seem hesitant, keep looking. A knowledgeable preparer should be able to explain exactly how Form 8958 works without consulting reference materials.

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I think there's confusion happening with your forms. Form 8958 is for community property allocation (splitting income 50/50), while Form 8959 is for Additional Medicare Tax (which only applies if your income is over $200k single or $125k MFS). The reason you're seeing one person owe and one get a refund is probably because of tax credits and stimulus payments going to just one spouse. That's normal even in community property states. Income splitting doesn't mean credit splitting. Does your tax preparer have an EA (Enrolled Agent) or CPA designation? Those credentials mean they've passed rigorous testing and maintain continuing education requirements. A "Tax Return Preparer" might just have minimal training.

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Just wanted to add - you can search the IRS website for "Directory of Federal Tax Return Preparers with Credentials and Select Qualifications" to verify credentials. If they're just a PTIN holder with no other credentials, you might want someone more qualified for complicated returns.

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