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One thing nobody's mentioned - check if you accidentally claimed any credits you're not eligible for. I once got a surprisingly high refund because my tax software somehow checked the box for the American Opportunity Credit even though I wasn't in school that year. Small software glitches can make a huge difference!
That's a good point! I'll double check all the credits. I don't think I should qualify for education credits since I haven't been in school for a few years, but maybe something got checked accidentally. I didn't get any unusual questions about education expenses though. Is there a way to see a summary of which credits and deductions were applied on my return? I'm using TaxSlayer if that helps.
In TaxSlayer, you should be able to view a summary of your return before filing. Look for the "Review" or "Summary" section, which typically shows all the credits and deductions that were applied. Pay special attention to any refundable credits like EITC, American Opportunity Credit, or Child Tax Credit. You can also look at the actual tax forms that are generated - specifically check Schedule 3 and Form 1040 to see which lines have amounts that might be surprising. If you see amounts on lines for credits you don't think you qualify for, that's a red flag.
Has anyone actually confirmed if tax software can make calculation errors? Like actual math errors? I always thought it was user input errors but now I'm paranoid about my own return.
Tax software rarely makes actual calculation errors - they're pretty rigorously tested. It's almost always user input errors. The most common mistakes I see (I help friends with taxes) are: 1. Entering the same income twice 2. Mixing up which numbers go in which fields (like the withholding error OP probably made) 3. Missing a form entirely 4. Clicking yes/no incorrectly on a qualifying question
Don't overlook state estate taxes too! Federal estate tax has a high exemption amount ($12.92 million for 2023), but some states have much lower thresholds. I learned this the hard way with my mother's estate - we were under the federal limit but got hit with a state estate tax bill we weren't expecting.
As of 2023, twelve states plus DC have estate taxes: Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia. Michigan doesn't have a state estate tax, so you're fortunate there! The exemption thresholds vary widely - Massachusetts and Oregon have exemptions as low as $1 million, while states like Hawaii align more closely with the federal exemption. If your stepdad owned property in any of these states, you might still need to file a state estate tax return, even if most assets were in Michigan.
Consider opening a separate bank account for the estate using that EIN. It helps keep the estate finances completely separate and makes accounting much easier. We made the mistake of trying to track estate expenses through my mom's personal account after dad died, and it created a huge mess at tax time.
100% agree with this. When my husband died, having a separate estate account made everything so much clearer. Also made it easier to show the court during probate that I was handling things properly.
Just wanted to add that there are income limits for the AOTC too! The credit starts phasing out if your MAGI is above $80,000 ($160,000 for joint filers) and completely phases out at $90,000 ($180,000 for joint filers). Since your sister only makes around $14,300, she should qualify for the full amount assuming she meets the other requirements. Also make sure she's eligible - she needs to be pursuing a degree, enrolled at least half-time, not have completed the first four years of higher education, and not have claimed the AOTC for more than four tax years. And double-check she has a valid SSN by the due date of the return!
Thanks for mentioning this! She definitely meets all those requirements - she's a sophomore working on her bachelor's degree and this will be her second time claiming the AOTC. Her school sent a 1098-T showing about $9,500 in qualified tuition and expenses, so I think we're good on that front. I was just really confused about how much of it she could actually get back as a refund since her tax liability is only around $300 after her standard deduction.
Based on what you've shared, your sister should receive the full benefit of the AOTC. The $300 tax liability will be completely eliminated by the non-refundable portion of the credit, and she'll get the full $1,000 refundable portion back as a refund. With $9,500 in qualified expenses, she qualifies for the maximum $2,500 AOTC (calculated as 100% of the first $2,000 in expenses plus 25% of the next $2,000). It's great that she's maintaining her education while working - this credit is specifically designed to help students in her situation!
don't forget that the expenses have to be for 2024 tax year! i messed up last year by including some expenses that were actually for the spring semester 2023 that i paid in december 2022. the 1098-T can be confusing because sometimes schools report amounts billed versus amounts paid. check box 1 and box 2 carefully!!
This is so important! My daughter's school reports in Box 2 (amounts billed) rather than Box 1 (payments received). We had to adjust what was on the 1098-T to reflect when payments were actually made. The rule is you claim the AOTC in the year you make the payment, not when you're billed or when classes are taken.
Your husband should check if his employer is using a percentage-based method rather than the standard IRS withholding tables. Some payroll systems allow for this option, where the employee can specify a fixed percentage or dollar amount to withhold instead of using the W-4 calculations. It's possible someone either made a data entry error (putting 0.25% instead of 25%) or the system itself has a bug. Your husband should specifically ask if they're using a percentage method and what percentage is currently in the system for him. Also, some payroll systems have a feature where they "true up" at the end of the year - withholding less throughout the year if they determine you've already met some threshold. Though that wouldn't explain the consistently low withholding you described.
That's a really good suggestion about the percentage-based withholding! I never even considered that possibility. Since the amount does seem to be consistently around 0.25% of his gross pay, that explains why it's so weirdly consistent. I'll have him specifically ask HR about this tomorrow. If they entered 0.25 when they meant 25, that's a massive error affecting everyone's taxes!
Glad I could help! This is exactly the kind of data entry error that can slip through, especially if the payroll person isn't carefully reviewing the resulting withholding amounts for reasonableness. If multiple employees are having the same issue, it strongly suggests a system-wide problem rather than individual W-4 issues. One more thing - make sure your husband documents all communications with HR about this. If the IRS questions the underwithholding or assesses penalties, having proof that you identified and tried to correct an employer error can help with penalty abatement.
Has anyone here actually successfully contested an underwithholding penalty with the IRS when it was the employer's fault? We're in a similar situation and owe about $3,800 plus a $220 penalty. š©
Yes! Request a First Time Penalty Abatement if you haven't had tax issues in the prior 3 years. The IRS is generally pretty reasonable with this, especially if you can document that the error was with your employer's payroll system and not your withholding choices.
Thanks for the info! I didn't know about the First Time Penalty Abatement option. We've always filed and paid on time before this, so sounds like we should qualify. Gonna call the IRS tomorrow and request this.
StarSurfer
Everyone is overlooking something important here - the timing could matter depending on what state you live in! Some states require your federal return to be fully processed before you can file state returns accurately. In California for example, if your federal amendment changes your AGI significantly, you'll need to amend your state return too. And filing your new year's state return with inconsistent prior year info can trigger automatic review. Before you decide, check your state's requirements for amendments and how they handle prior year references on current returns.
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Mei Zhang
ā¢That's a great point I hadn't considered. We're in Michigan, and I'm not sure how strict they are about this. Do you know if Michigan has specific requirements about the timing of federal amendments and their impact on current year state returns?
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StarSurfer
ā¢Michigan is actually less strict than some states about this. They don't automatically require state amendments just because you amended federal (though you should if the changes affect Michigan taxable income). For your situation, Michigan won't flag your current return based on the prior year deduction method question alone. However, if your mortgage interest deduction relates to a Michigan property and affects your Michigan property tax credit, you'll want to make sure both years are consistent. I still recommend filing the amendment first or simultaneously with your current return, but Michigan isn't one of the states that will automatically reject or flag your current return over this specific issue.
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Ava Martinez
I work at a tax firm and we handle this exact situation regularly. Here's what most preparers don't tell you: the IRS systems don't actually cross-reference your answer about last year's deduction method with their records before processing your current return. File your 2023 amendment and 2024 return simultaneously. On your 2024 return, answer according to what WILL be true after amendment (that you itemized in 2023). Keep a detailed note with your tax records explaining the situation and timing. In the extremely unlikely event you're ever questioned, this note shows you were being forthright and not attempting to misrepresent anything. What tax software are you using for 2024? Some handle this situation better than others.
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Miguel Castro
ā¢Not OP but curious - is there any difference in how the major tax software packages handle amendments? I've been using TurboTax for years but their amendment process seems clunky.
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