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Did you file with any tax credits like EIC or ACTC? Those automatically delay processing until at least February 15th due to the PATH Act, even if you filed in January.
This is important info! So many people panic when they file early and don't see quick movement, not realizing certain credits trigger automatic delay periods.
Looks like we're in the same boat. I filed 1/26 and still stuck on "processing" with no 846 code. This is my first time filing with a Schedule C for my side gig, so I'm wondering if that's slowing things down? Anyone have experience with that?
Schedule C can definitely trigger additional scrutiny, especially if it's your first year filing one. Self-employment income gets reviewed more carefully since there's no employer verification like with W-2s. I'd give it at least 30 days before getting concerned.
Just wanted to add that there are income limits for the AOTC too! The credit starts phasing out if your MAGI is above $80,000 ($160,000 for joint filers) and completely phases out at $90,000 ($180,000 for joint filers). Since your sister only makes around $14,300, she should qualify for the full amount assuming she meets the other requirements. Also make sure she's eligible - she needs to be pursuing a degree, enrolled at least half-time, not have completed the first four years of higher education, and not have claimed the AOTC for more than four tax years. And double-check she has a valid SSN by the due date of the return!
Thanks for mentioning this! She definitely meets all those requirements - she's a sophomore working on her bachelor's degree and this will be her second time claiming the AOTC. Her school sent a 1098-T showing about $9,500 in qualified tuition and expenses, so I think we're good on that front. I was just really confused about how much of it she could actually get back as a refund since her tax liability is only around $300 after her standard deduction.
Based on what you've shared, your sister should receive the full benefit of the AOTC. The $300 tax liability will be completely eliminated by the non-refundable portion of the credit, and she'll get the full $1,000 refundable portion back as a refund. With $9,500 in qualified expenses, she qualifies for the maximum $2,500 AOTC (calculated as 100% of the first $2,000 in expenses plus 25% of the next $2,000). It's great that she's maintaining her education while working - this credit is specifically designed to help students in her situation!
don't forget that the expenses have to be for 2024 tax year! i messed up last year by including some expenses that were actually for the spring semester 2023 that i paid in december 2022. the 1098-T can be confusing because sometimes schools report amounts billed versus amounts paid. check box 1 and box 2 carefully!!
This is so important! My daughter's school reports in Box 2 (amounts billed) rather than Box 1 (payments received). We had to adjust what was on the 1098-T to reflect when payments were actually made. The rule is you claim the AOTC in the year you make the payment, not when you're billed or when classes are taken.
Don't forget to check if your foreign capital gains are eligible for exclusion under any tax treaties! The US has different tax treaties with different countries, and some of them have special provisions for capital gains. For example, there's a US-Singapore tax treaty, but it doesn't fully address capital gains. However, if your gains were from a different country, you might have additional options beyond just the foreign tax credit.
That's really helpful - I wasn't even thinking about tax treaties. Do you know where I can find a simple explanation of what the US-Singapore tax treaty actually covers and doesn't cover? The IRS publications on this stuff are virtually unreadable.
The IRS has a page listing all tax treaties at irs.gov/businesses/international-businesses/united-states-income-tax-treaties-a-to-z, which includes links to the full text of each treaty. The US-Singapore treaty is relatively limited compared to some others. For Singapore specifically, the treaty mainly covers withholding taxes on dividends, interest, and royalties, but doesn't provide much relief for capital gains. Your best approach is still going to be the foreign tax credit on Form 1116. If you need a more readable explanation, the IRS Publication 901 (U.S. Tax Treaties) gives a decent overview, though it's still pretty technical.
Quick question - does anyone know if we can e-file returns with Form 1116 through the regular tax software programs? Last time I had international income I had to mail in a paper return because TurboTax kept glitching on the foreign tax credit section.
I used FreeTaxUSA this year and was able to e-file with Form 1116 no problem. TurboTax and H&R Block also support e-filing with foreign tax credits, but you usually need their premium or deluxe versions which aren't free.
Just to add another perspective on Form 8814 - even if you CAN file it, sometimes it's better NOT to. When you add your child's investment income to yours, it gets taxed at YOUR tax rate, which is probably higher than your child's would be. For example, in 2024 the first $1,150 of a child's unearned income is tax-free, and the next $1,150 is taxed at just 10%. So if your daughter has $2,400 in interest, she'd only pay about $115 in taxes if she filed her own return. But if you add that $2,400 to your income and you're in the 22% or 24% bracket, you could end up paying $500+ in taxes on the same amount. Just something to consider before automatically using Form 8814 for convenience!
Good point! I made this exact mistake last year. Claimed my kid's dividend income on my return using Form 8814 and ended up paying WAY more tax than if I'd just helped him file his own return. The convenience cost me about $300 extra in taxes because I'm in the 24% bracket. Definitely worth running the numbers both ways.
This is such a helpful perspective, thank you! I hadn't even thought about the potential tax rate difference. I'm in the 24% bracket, so that would definitely impact the amount we'd pay on her interest income. Maybe the convenience isn't worth it after all. I'll run the numbers both ways before deciding. Really appreciate this insight!
Just a heads up - if your child has an UTMA/UGMA account (which sounds possible given the grandparent setup), make sure you're handling it correctly. Once your child reaches age of majority in your state (18 or 21 depending on state), that account legally belongs to them, not you, even if you're still managing it. The Form 8814 question might be moot if she's over the age of majority in your state because then it's legally her income, not yours to elect to report. Different rules apply for custodial vs. non-custodial accounts, so make sure you know which type of account is generating the interest.
That's a really important point about UTMA/UGMA accounts. I got audited a few years ago because I kept claiming my son's UTMA account income after he turned 18 (age of majority in my state). The IRS was very clear that once he hit 18, that income was his responsibility to report, not mine, regardless of who was managing the account day-to-day. Cost me penalties and interest because I had been doing it wrong for 2 years.
StarSurfer
Everyone is overlooking something important here - the timing could matter depending on what state you live in! Some states require your federal return to be fully processed before you can file state returns accurately. In California for example, if your federal amendment changes your AGI significantly, you'll need to amend your state return too. And filing your new year's state return with inconsistent prior year info can trigger automatic review. Before you decide, check your state's requirements for amendments and how they handle prior year references on current returns.
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Mei Zhang
ā¢That's a great point I hadn't considered. We're in Michigan, and I'm not sure how strict they are about this. Do you know if Michigan has specific requirements about the timing of federal amendments and their impact on current year state returns?
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StarSurfer
ā¢Michigan is actually less strict than some states about this. They don't automatically require state amendments just because you amended federal (though you should if the changes affect Michigan taxable income). For your situation, Michigan won't flag your current return based on the prior year deduction method question alone. However, if your mortgage interest deduction relates to a Michigan property and affects your Michigan property tax credit, you'll want to make sure both years are consistent. I still recommend filing the amendment first or simultaneously with your current return, but Michigan isn't one of the states that will automatically reject or flag your current return over this specific issue.
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Ava Martinez
I work at a tax firm and we handle this exact situation regularly. Here's what most preparers don't tell you: the IRS systems don't actually cross-reference your answer about last year's deduction method with their records before processing your current return. File your 2023 amendment and 2024 return simultaneously. On your 2024 return, answer according to what WILL be true after amendment (that you itemized in 2023). Keep a detailed note with your tax records explaining the situation and timing. In the extremely unlikely event you're ever questioned, this note shows you were being forthright and not attempting to misrepresent anything. What tax software are you using for 2024? Some handle this situation better than others.
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Miguel Castro
ā¢Not OP but curious - is there any difference in how the major tax software packages handle amendments? I've been using TurboTax for years but their amendment process seems clunky.
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