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My accountant told me something different about this situation. She said that if you over-contribute to a Roth IRA, you could also recharacterize the excess amount to a Traditional IRA instead of paying the penalty, as long as you're eligible to contribute to a Traditional IRA. Has anyone done this? Not sure if this would still be an option for contributions from 2019 though.
Your accountant is partly right, but timing is crucial. Recharacterization was an option before the tax filing deadline (including extensions) for the year of the contribution. For 2019 contributions, that deadline would have been around July-October 2020 (extended due to COVID). Since we're in 2025 now, recharacterization is no longer an option for 2019 contributions. The OP will need to go with the Form 5329 and penalty approach. But your suggestion is definitely good advice for anyone who catches their over-contribution more quickly!
When I had a similar Roth over-contribution problem, I was told by an IRS representative that I should also consider the earnings on the excess amount. The 6% penalty applies to the excess contribution itself, but what about the earnings that excess generated? If you eventually remove the excess, you'll need to calculate and withdraw those attributable earnings too (and pay income tax plus potentially a 10% early withdrawal penalty on those earnings). Have you figured out how much your $1,100 excess has earned since 2019? That might be relevant depending on how you ultimately resolve this.
That's a really good point I hadn't considered. I haven't calculated the exact earnings on the excess portion, but given market performance since 2019, it's probably significant. If I'm using the "absorption" method by under-contributing in 2021, do I still need to worry about the earnings issue? Or does that only apply if I'm physically removing the excess contribution?
If you're using the "absorption" method by under-contributing in a later year, you don't need to worry about withdrawing the earnings. The earnings stay in your Roth IRA and continue growing tax-free, which is actually a nice benefit! The earnings only become an issue if you physically withdraw the excess contribution. In that case, you'd need to calculate and withdraw the proportional earnings as well. Since you've already effectively "fixed" the excess through your 2021 under-contribution, you just need to file Form 5329 for 2019 and 2020 to pay the penalty for those years. The earnings can stay put in your account.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet is that if you lease your vehicle, there are special rules. With a lease, if you choose the standard mileage rate, you can't switch to actual expenses later. But if you start with actual expenses, you can switch to standard mileage in a later year. Also, with standard mileage, you can still separately deduct business parking fees and tolls. So even if you go with the simpler method, don't forget to track those expenses!
Do loan interest and registration fees count as separate deductions with standard mileage too? Or are those already included in the standard rate?
Loan interest and registration fees are already included in the standard mileage rate, so you can't deduct those separately if you choose that method. That's one reason why actual expenses might be better for some drivers, especially in states with high vehicle registration fees. If you use your vehicle for both personal and business use, you'd need to calculate the business percentage of these expenses if you go with the actual expense method. For example, if you use your car 70% for delivery driving and 30% for personal use, you could only deduct 70% of your registration fees and loan interest.
I switched from itemized to standard mileage last year and it was the best decision ever! Saved me like $480 and so much hassle. All I do now is use a mileage tracking app (I use Stride but there are tons of others) that automatically logs my trips. I just open the app at the start of my delivery shift and close it when I'm done. It creates professional-looking reports that would satisfy any audit requirements. Way easier than keeping a folder full of gas and maintenance receipts!
What if you forget to turn on the app sometimes? Does the IRS accept reconstructed mileage logs? I'm terrible at remembering to track this stuff consistently.
Here's a tip that many people don't know about: if this is your first time with an underpayment situation, you can often get the IRS to waive the penalty through what's called "First Time Penalty Abatement." You have to specifically ask for it though! I was in your exact situation 2 years ago with my side business. I called the IRS after I got the penalty notice (took forever to get through) and just politely explained that I didn't understand the quarterly payment requirements and asked if there was any relief available since I had always filed and paid on time before. They removed the entire penalty!
Do you have to wait until they assess the penalty before requesting abatement? Or can you be proactive and request it when you file?
You generally need to wait until they assess the penalty before requesting abatement. The IRS typically sends a separate notice about penalties after processing your return. When you get that notice, that's when you should call and request the First Time Penalty Abatement. You can't really request it proactively when filing because the IRS needs to calculate the penalty first. The good news is that if you qualify, they'll usually grant it without much hassle as long as you've had a clean compliance record for the previous 3 years.
Watch out for state taxes too! Everyone here is talking about federal, but depending on your state, you might owe there as well. I forgot about state taxes on my DoorDash income and got hit with penalties from both IRS and my state tax board.
This is such a good point. I'm in California and their underpayment penalties are actually worse than the federal ones. Had to pay almost 9% penalty on what I owed to the state.
Everyone's focusing on getting the documents, but I want to address what ACTUALLY happens if you don't file: 1. The IRS will eventually send notices (CP59 Notice) 2. They might file a "Substitute for Return" based on income info they have, which won't include any deductions/credits you'd qualify for 3. They'll assess tax, penalties and interest 4. They can eventually garnish wages, take money from bank accounts, and seize tax refunds for YEARS 5. There's no statute of limitations on unfiled returns, so this can haunt you forever I ignored filing for 3 years when I was younger and it took me 6 years to clean up the mess. DON'T DO IT.
Did they ever come to your house or anything? That's what I'm worried about. Also did it affect your credit score?
They never came to my house - that's pretty rare unless you're being investigated for tax fraud involving large amounts of money or criminal activity. The IRS generally handles everything through mail notices and phone calls before taking more serious collection actions. It absolutely destroyed my credit score for years. The tax liens showed up on my credit report and dropped my score by over 100 points. This affected my ability to get apartments, car loans, and credit cards. Even after I paid everything off, the damage lingered for a while. The credit reporting rules have changed somewhat since then, but tax problems can still indirectly affect your credit when they impact your financial situation.
Some practical advice: even with missing docs, FILE SOMETHING by the deadline (April 15)! You can file Form 4868 for an automatic extension to October, then use that time to get your docs sorted. The extension doesn't extend the time to pay, but it prevents the nasty failure-to-file penalty which is much worse than the failure-to-pay penalty.
Wait so if I file for an extension I still need to pay what I think I might owe? How do I even calculate that without my W-2??
Yes, you're expected to make a good-faith estimate of what you might owe and pay that amount when you file the extension. Without your W-2, you can estimate based on your final paystub of the year, which usually has year-to-date information. Most paystubs show how much federal tax was withheld throughout the year. If you don't have your last paystub, you could also estimate based on last year's return if your income situation was similar, or check your bank deposits to calculate approximately what you earned and estimate taxes from there. Even if your estimate isn't perfect, showing that you made a reasonable effort to comply will usually help reduce penalties.
Connor Rupert
Just FYI, you can request a transcript of your tax records from the IRS which might show if the casino already reported your winnings to them. Go to irs.gov and search for "Get Transcript" - you can create an account and see what forms have been filed under your SSN. If the casino did submit the W-2G to the IRS, it would show up there and you could see the exact amounts, which might help you file even without the physical form.
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Miles Hammonds
ā¢Thanks for this tip! I just created an account and checked my transcript. Looks like the casino did submit my W-2G to the IRS about a week ago (which is frustrating since they never sent it to me). At least now I can see the exact amounts to report on my return. Gonna file tomorrow. Really appreciate everyone's help here - I've been stressing about this for weeks! So relieved to know I'm not facing penalties since I'm due a refund.
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Connor Rupert
ā¢Happy to help! That's exactly why I mentioned checking the transcript - casinos are usually good about reporting to the IRS but sometimes slow about sending the actual forms to winners. Now you have all the official information you need to file accurately. The transcript method is super useful for all kinds of missing tax documents. I've used it for missing 1099s and W-2s in the past. Makes filing much easier when you can see exactly what's been reported under your SSN.
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Molly Hansen
Btw which tax software are you using? TurboTax has an option specifically for filing with missing forms where you can enter the information manually. I had to do it last year when an employer sent my W-2 to the wrong address.
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Brady Clean
ā¢I'd recommend FreeTaxUSA over TurboTax for this situation. It's way cheaper and handles missing forms just as well. I used it for a similar casino winning situation last year.
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