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Dave Ramsey is wrong on this one. I've been employing my kids in my photography business for 5 years with no issues. My accountant set everything up properly. The trick is making sure the work is age-appropriate and actually needed. My 16yo manages my social media and assists at weddings, and my 14yo helps with photo editing and organization. I pay them market rates, keep meticulous records, and they file their own tax returns. It's 100% legitimate if done right!
Do they have to pay FICA/Medicare taxes on their earnings? I heard theres an exemption for kids under 18 in a family business??
If you have a sole proprietorship or a partnership where the only partners are the child's parents, children under 18 are exempt from FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare). This is a significant tax savings. However, if your business is structured as a corporation (including an S corporation) or an LLC taxed as a corporation, then your children's wages are subject to FICA taxes regardless of age. My business is a sole proprietorship specifically to take advantage of this exemption, saving about 15.3% on their wages.
I've been successfully employing my 17-year-old in my marketing consulting business for two years now. She handles data entry, client research, and basic administrative tasks that I would otherwise outsource or do myself. The key is documentation - I have her sign timesheets, maintain detailed job descriptions, and pay her $16/hour which is competitive for entry-level admin work in our area. What really convinced me this was legitimate was when my CPA explained that the IRS actually encourages legitimate employment of family members because it redistributes income to lower tax brackets while teaching work ethic. The problems arise when people try to game the system with fake jobs or excessive wages. For your tech-savvy 15-year-old, tasks like website maintenance, basic data analysis, or social media management could be perfect fits for a consulting business. Just make sure you're paying fair wages and keeping records like you would for any employee. The tax savings are real - my daughter earns about $8,000 annually tax-free while my business saves on both the deduction and not having to pay FICA taxes on her wages.
This is really encouraging to hear from someone who's been doing it successfully for a couple years! I'm curious about the documentation you mentioned - do you have her track specific tasks completed each day or just hours worked? And have you ever had any questions from the IRS about it during regular filing, or has it been completely smooth sailing? I'm leaning toward trying this with my son but want to make sure I set up the record-keeping properly from day one.
Just wanted to jump in as another newcomer who found this thread through a desperate late-night Google search about IRS letters and informed delivery! I'm currently in the exact same boat - saw a KSCS letter pop up in my informed delivery two days ago and have been checking my online account obsessively ever since. Reading through everyone's experiences has been such a relief. It's incredible how consistent the pattern is: panic at seeing the IRS letter, frantically check online account (which shows nothing), spiral into anxiety, then discover it's something completely routine. The fact that so many of you have had KSCS letters that never appeared online but turned out to be mundane administrative stuff is really helping me breathe easier. I love how supportive this community is - finding all these shared experiences makes me feel so much less alone in the tax anxiety struggle. Really hoping our original poster updates us soon with what will hopefully be another anticlimactic ending to add to this collection of "much ado about nothing" stories!
I'm so glad I found this thread too! I just joined this community after having my own IRS letter panic yesterday - also from KSCS showing up in informed delivery with nothing online. Reading everyone's experiences has been incredibly comforting. It's amazing how we all seem to go through the exact same emotional rollercoaster: see IRS mail ā immediate panic ā obsessive online account checking ā catastrophic thinking ā (hopefully) boring reality. The consistency of these stories about routine KSCS letters that don't appear online is really helping me manage my anxiety while I wait for mine to arrive. This community support is exactly what I needed during this stressful waiting period!
Welcome to all the newcomers! It's both heartwarming and telling that so many of us found this community through the exact same late-night anxiety spiral about IRS letters. I've been a member here for a while and have seen this scenario play out countless times - it really is the most common source of tax-related stress. What I find fascinating about this thread is how it perfectly demonstrates the psychological pattern we all experience with IRS correspondence. The anticipation and unknown is almost always worse than the reality. I've kept a mental tally, and I'd say about 90% of the "mysterious IRS letters" that get discussed here turn out to be routine administrative stuff. For everyone currently waiting for their letters to arrive, remember that the IRS processes literally millions of pieces of routine correspondence every month. Payment confirmations, address change acknowledgments, processing notifications, amended return receipts - all boring but necessary paperwork that can trigger our fight-or-flight response just because it has "IRS" in the return address. Really hoping our original poster comes back with an update soon. Based on all the patterns shared here, I'm confident it's going to be another story we can all smile about once the mystery is solved!
This is such a perfect summary of what we all seem to go through! I literally just joined this community 10 minutes ago after my own 3 AM Google search about KSCS letters, and reading through this entire thread has been like finding my people. The 90% statistic you mentioned about routine correspondence is so reassuring - it really puts things in perspective when you're in that panic spiral. What strikes me most is how this thread has turned into this amazing support network for tax anxiety. Everyone sharing their "anticlimactic" stories is creating this database of reassurance for future panicked searchers like myself. I'm definitely bookmarking this for the next time I see IRS mail in my informed delivery and need a reality check! Really hoping the original poster updates us soon too - I think we're all emotionally invested in this story now and want to see another happy ending added to the collection!
I completely understand your frustration with EFTPS - I went through the exact same ordeal when I started my freelance business last year. The "information doesn't match" error drove me absolutely crazy, especially when everything looked correct on my end. One thing that finally worked for me was contacting my bank to verify I was using the correct routing number. It turns out the routing number on my checks was different from the ACH routing number that EFTPS requires for electronic payments. My bank had to give me the specific ACH routing number, and once I updated that in the system, everything went through smoothly. Also, I noticed you mentioned waiting 2-3 weeks for the system to update - that's ridiculous for such a time-sensitive payment! For your immediate Q2 payment, definitely use IRS Direct Pay as others have suggested. It's free, doesn't require registration, and you get instant confirmation. I've used it several times when EFTPS was giving me trouble and it's completely reliable. Don't lose hope on EFTPS though. Once you get past this initial setup nightmare, being able to schedule all four quarterly payments at the beginning of the year is actually really convenient. The system just has a steep learning curve with very unforgiving formatting requirements!
Thank you so much for sharing your experience! The ACH routing number issue sounds like it could definitely be part of my problem. I just assumed the routing number from my checks would work for everything, but it makes sense that electronic payments might use a different number. I'll call my bank first thing tomorrow to get the correct ACH routing number. It's reassuring to hear from someone who actually got through the EFTPS setup successfully after having the same issues. The 2-3 week wait time they quoted me is absolutely ridiculous - especially for something as basic as making a tax payment! I'm definitely going to use Direct Pay for this quarter to meet my deadline, but I'll keep working on getting EFTPS sorted out for future payments. Your point about scheduling all four quarters in advance sounds amazing. Right now I'm stressed about missing deadlines every quarter, so having that peace of mind would be worth all this hassle. Thanks for the encouragement to not give up on it entirely!
I've been helping taxpayers navigate EFTPS issues for years, and your situation is unfortunately very common. The system is notoriously finicky about exact data matches, but there are several things you can try while waiting for their "system update." First, for your immediate Q2 payment deadline, absolutely use IRS Direct Pay as others have mentioned. It's free, reliable, and doesn't require any registration - just go to irs.gov/payments/direct-pay. For the EFTPS account issues, here are the most common culprits I see: - Address formatting differences (Street vs St., apartment numbers, ZIP+4 codes) - Name variations (middle initials, Jr./Sr. suffixes, business name formatting) - Bank routing number confusion (you need the ACH routing number, not the paper check routing number) Try pulling your most recent tax return and entering EVERYTHING exactly as it appears there - every space, punctuation mark, and abbreviation. Also, clear your browser cache completely or try a different browser entirely. The 2-3 week wait time they quoted is standard bureaucratic nonsense, but don't let that stop you from calling back. Try calling right when they open (7 AM) for much shorter hold times. Ask them to read back exactly how your information appears in their system - character by character. Once you get through this initial nightmare, EFTPS is actually quite useful for scheduling future payments. Hang in there!
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I was in almost the exact same situation as the original poster - making around $30k and maxing out my 401k, then getting confused about IRA limits. What really clicked for me reading through these responses is the distinction between "earned income" (which includes your 401k contributions) and "taxable wages" (Box 1 on your W-2, which doesn't). I had been looking at Box 1 and thinking that was my limit for IRA contributions. It's also reassuring to see multiple people confirm this with actual experience and even official IRS confirmation. The tax code can be so confusing, especially when you're trying to optimize multiple retirement accounts at once. Thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge and resources - this community is awesome for getting reliable tax advice!
Totally agree with you on how confusing this distinction can be! I made the same mistake when I first started contributing to both accounts. It's one of those things where the IRS uses different definitions of "income" depending on what they're calculating, which isn't intuitive at all. What really helped me was creating a simple spreadsheet to track my gross wages vs. my taxable wages (Box 1) vs. what counts for different retirement account purposes. Once you see it laid out, it becomes much clearer how your 401k contributions affect different parts of your tax situation differently. And you're absolutely right about this community being great for tax advice - getting real-world examples from people who've actually dealt with these situations is so much more helpful than trying to decipher IRS publications on your own!
This is exactly the kind of question that shows how unnecessarily complex the tax code can be! I went through this same confusion when I started maximizing both my 401k and IRA contributions. To add to all the great explanations here: think of it this way - your employer reports your full gross wages to the Social Security Administration and for Medicare purposes regardless of your 401k contributions. That's the same income base the IRS uses for determining IRA contribution eligibility. One thing I didn't see mentioned is that this rule also applies to other pre-tax deductions like health insurance premiums, HSA contributions, and flexible spending accounts. None of these reduce your "earned income" for IRA purposes, even though they all reduce your taxable wages in Box 1 of your W-2. The IRS basically wants to make sure you can't game the system by loading up on pre-tax deductions to artificially lower your earned income and then claim you can't contribute to retirement accounts. It's actually designed to help savers, not hurt them!
Katherine Ziminski
Am I the only one who thinks the whole education credit system is ridiculously complicated? I went through 3 different tax software programs last year trying to figure out how to claim my education expenses correctly. Ultimately I found TurboTax handled this specific scenario better than HR Block or TaxAct. It gives you an option to say "My school did not provide a 1098-T" and then lets you manually enter your qualified expenses.
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Noah Irving
ā¢Agreed! The education credits are so confusing. I switched to TurboTax this year after having the same issue with HR Block last year. TurboTax still asks for the 1098-T but has a clearer path for handling situations where you don't have one. Worth the switch for me!
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Anastasia Romanov
I had this exact same issue with HR Block last year! The software gets stuck in that loop where it keeps asking for the 2024 1098-T even when you tell it you don't have one. Here's what finally worked for me: Instead of following the education section's 1098-T pathway, I had to completely exit out of that section and look for "Education Credits" under a different menu (I think it was under "Deductions & Credits" rather than the main education flow). From there, I was able to manually enter my education expenses without the software expecting a specific form. You'll want to use the amounts from your 2023 1098-T since those were your actual qualified expenses - the fact that box 7 was checked means those payments were for your 2024 academic year. It's super frustrating that the software doesn't handle this common scenario better, but once you find the manual entry path it should work fine. You might also try clearing your browser cache and starting fresh if you've been going in circles for a while.
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Morita Montoya
ā¢Thank you so much for this detailed explanation! I've been going in circles with this for days. I think I found the "Education Credits" section you mentioned - it's under the "Deductions & Credits" tab, not in the main interview flow where I was stuck. Just to confirm I understand correctly: I should use the tuition amounts from my 2023 1098-T (the one with box 7 checked) and enter those as my qualified education expenses for 2024, right? Even though the payments were technically made in 2023, I claim the credit for 2024 since that's when I was actually enrolled and taking classes? This makes so much more sense than the circular logic the main education section was putting me through!
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