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I've been dealing with a similar severance situation and wanted to share what I learned from my tax preparer. One thing that wasn't mentioned yet - if you're making that large December estimated payment, make sure you submit it by January 15th rather than December 31st to get credit for the fourth quarter. Also, when you're calculating whether your withholding from the February severance will cover your first three quarters, remember that the required payment for each quarter is based on 25% of your TOTAL annual tax liability (including the tax on that severance), not just 25% of your regular income tax. Since severance often pushes you into a higher tax bracket, this calculation can be tricky. Your strategy sounds solid overall though. The combination of checking Box D to allocate that February withholding to when it actually occurred, plus making a substantial fourth quarter payment, should definitely help you avoid penalties. Just double-check your math on those quarterly requirements to make sure that February withholding amount is actually large enough to cover the first three quarters!
Great point about the January 15th deadline for the fourth quarter payment! I hadn't realized that was an option and was stressing about getting a payment in before December 31st. You're absolutely right about the calculation complexity too. I've been working through the math and that severance definitely bumped me up a tax bracket, so my quarterly requirement is higher than I initially thought. I'm going to double-check that my February withholding actually covers those first three quarters before I get too confident about avoiding penalties. Thanks for the practical advice - it's helpful to hear from someone who's been through a similar situation!
I've been following this thread closely since I'm dealing with a similar situation - received a large severance payment in March with substantial withholding. One thing I want to add that might help others: when you're using Form 2210 Part III to allocate your withholding to specific quarters, make sure you're also accounting for any regular payroll withholding you had before your layoff. That regular withholding should be spread evenly across the quarters you were employed, while the severance withholding goes in the quarter it actually occurred. Also, for anyone using tax software that's being stubborn about letting you check Box D - sometimes you need to first indicate that you want to complete Form 2210 manually rather than letting the software auto-calculate everything. Look for options like "Override software calculations" or "Manual Form 2210 entry" in your tax program's advanced settings. The severance/withholding timing issue is more common than people realize, especially with all the layoffs that happened recently. It's definitely worth taking the time to get Form 2210 right rather than just accepting whatever penalty the software initially calculates!
This is such a helpful thread! I'm new to this community and dealing with my first Form 2210 situation. I received a large bonus in January and have been completely lost about how to handle the withholding timing. @Santiago Diaz - your point about accounting for regular payroll withholding separately from the lump sum withholding is exactly what I needed to hear. I hadn t'thought about how to handle the withholding from my regular paychecks versus the bonus withholding. One quick question for everyone - if I had regular payroll withholding from January through October when (I was laid off plus) the large bonus withholding in January, do I put the regular withholding in all four quarters evenly and then put the entire bonus withholding amount in Q1? Or do I need to calculate some kind of weighted average? Thanks to everyone who s'shared their experiences - this is way more complex than I expected but you ve'all made it much clearer!
Letter 86C is definitely a relief! I remember getting one last year and being so confused by the official language, but it really is just their way of saying "all good, no issues found." One thing I'd recommend is setting up text alerts with your bank if you haven't already - that way you'll know the moment your refund hits. The IRS website also has a "Where's My Refund" tool that updates pretty regularly once they issue the letter. Hang in there, you're almost at the finish line!
Thanks for mentioning the "Where's My Refund" tool! I'm new to all this tax stuff and didn't even know that existed. Just set it up and it's showing "being processed" - guessing that'll update once I get the 86C letter? Also setting up those bank alerts right now, that's such a smart idea š
Letter 86C is definitely a good sign! I went through this exact same situation last year and was panicking for no reason. The letter basically confirms they've completed their review and found no issues with your return. From my experience, once you receive the physical letter, your refund should be direct deposited within 10-21 days (mine took about 14 days). Pro tip: make sure your banking info is correct on file because any delays there could slow things down. You're almost done with this whole process - the hardest part (the waiting and worrying) is basically over!
This is so helpful, thank you! I'm in the exact same boat as the original poster and have been losing sleep over this. 14 days sounds totally reasonable - I was worried it would be months. Quick question though - when you say "banking info is correct on file," do you mean the routing/account numbers from when I originally filed? Is there any way to update that if it changed, or am I stuck with whatever I put on my return?
4 Does anyone know if stimulus payments or pandemic relief count as unearned income for kiddie tax purposes? My daughter received some unemployment plus the extra federal pandemic amount, and I'm not sure how to treat it on Form 8615.
8 The regular unemployment benefits count as unearned income and would be reported on Form 8615. However, the stimulus payments (economic impact payments) were technically advance tax credits and are NOT considered income at all - neither earned nor unearned. Those don't get reported as income on the tax return.
Just went through this exact situation with my 16-year-old nephew last year! The key thing to remember is that you'll definitely need your parents' tax information to complete Form 8615 since your sister's unemployment benefits ($3100) exceed the $2,300 threshold. Here's what you'll need from your parents' tax return: their adjusted gross income, taxable income, tax before credits, and filing status. The IRS has a specific worksheet in the Form 8615 instructions that walks you through the calculation step by step. One tip that saved us a lot of headache: make sure to keep the earned income ($2600 from her mall job) completely separate from the unearned income (unemployment) when doing the calculations. The earned income gets taxed normally at her rate, while only the portion of unearned income above $2,300 gets the kiddie tax treatment. Since you're in Oklahoma, you'll also want to check if the state has any similar rules that follow the federal kiddie tax - some states do, others don't. Good luck with the filing!
This entire discussion has been really enlightening! I'm a nonresident alien on an L-1 visa and have been dealing with exactly this HSA confusion. My employer automatically enrolled me in their HSA plan when I started, and I've been contributing through payroll deductions for the past year. After reading through all the responses here, I checked my W-2 and confirmed that Box 1 does match Box 16, which means my employer correctly included the HSA contributions in my taxable income. This gives me confidence that I don't need to file Form 8889 or make any special adjustments. What really helped me understand this was the clarification about 1099-SA forms being for distributions (taking money out) versus the W-2 Box 12 Code W showing contributions (putting money in). That distinction was key to understanding why the Sprintax agent's reasoning about not receiving a 1099-SA was irrelevant. For anyone else in a similar situation: definitely verify that your W-2 Box 1 and Box 16 match. If they do, it sounds like your employer is handling the tax treatment correctly for nonresidents. And thanks to everyone who shared their experiences with calling the IRS and using various tools - it really helps newcomers like me navigate these complex situations!
This is such a helpful summary! I'm also new to understanding HSA rules as a nonresident alien (on TN visa), and your explanation about the Box 1 vs Box 16 matching really clarifies things for me. I was getting overwhelmed by all the different tax forms and codes, but breaking it down to that simple check makes it much more manageable. I'm going to verify my W-2 boxes match when I get home tonight. It's reassuring to see so many people in similar situations sharing their experiences here. The distinction between 1099-SA (distributions) and W-2 Code W (contributions) was something I definitely didn't understand before reading this thread. One thing I'm still curious about - for those who called the IRS directly, did they mention anything about what happens if you become a resident in future years? I'm wondering if the HSA treatment changes if your visa status changes or if you get a green card later on. Thanks to everyone for making this complex topic much clearer for newcomers like us who are trying to navigate the U.S. tax system!
As someone who recently went through this exact same confusion as a nonresident alien, I want to add that it's really important to understand the timing of when HSA eligibility rules apply. When I spoke with an IRS agent (after using one of the callback services mentioned here - worked great!), they explained that your eligibility status is determined month by month. So if you change from nonresident to resident status during the tax year, you might be eligible for HSA benefits for part of the year. The agent also clarified something that wasn't mentioned much here - even though nonresidents generally can't claim HSA tax benefits, if your employer is contributing to your HSA (employer contributions), those amounts might be treated differently than your own payroll deductions. You'll want to look carefully at your W-2 to see if there are both employer and employee contributions listed. For those keeping their HSA accounts open as nonresidents, just remember that while you can't make tax-advantaged contributions, the money already in there can continue to grow tax-free, and you can still use it for qualified medical expenses. You just lose the upfront tax deduction benefit that residents get. The key takeaway that matches what everyone else found: check that W-2 Box 1 equals Box 16, skip Form 8889, and make sure HSA contributions are included in your taxable income. But definitely verify your specific situation if you have any doubt!
This is really valuable information about the month-by-month eligibility determination! I'm currently on an F-1 visa but will be transitioning to H-1B status later this year, so understanding how status changes affect HSA eligibility during the tax year is super important for my planning. The point about employer vs. employee contributions being treated differently is something I hadn't considered either. I'll need to look more carefully at my W-2 when I get it to see if there are separate amounts listed. Your explanation about keeping the HSA account open makes a lot of sense - losing the upfront tax deduction but still getting tax-free growth and the ability to use funds for medical expenses seems like it could still be worthwhile, especially if I might become eligible for full HSA benefits in future years. Thanks for sharing the details from your IRS conversation! It's really helpful to hear from someone who went through the same confusion and got official clarification. This whole thread has been incredibly educational for newcomers trying to navigate these complex HSA rules as nonresidents.
Carmen Vega
Has anyone successfully resolved this error by creating an IRS online account? I've heard sometimes you can pull your exact AGI from their transcript system.
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Andre Rousseau
ā¢YES! This is exactly what worked for me. I created an account on IRS.gov and downloaded my tax transcript from last year. The AGI on that transcript was actually different than what showed on my saved PDF copy of last year's return (no idea how that happened). Used the transcript number and my return was accepted immediately.
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Nia Johnson
I had this exact same reject code last week and it was driving me crazy! After reading through all these suggestions, I ended up trying the IRS transcript approach that Carmen mentioned. Created my online account at IRS.gov and pulled up my 2023 tax transcript - turns out the AGI I had been using was off by exactly $1! Must have been a rounding error somewhere. Used the exact number from the transcript and my return was accepted within minutes. Definitely recommend checking your transcript first before trying the other methods - it's free and might save you a lot of time and stress. Thanks everyone for all the helpful advice in this thread!
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QuantumQuester
ā¢That's such a relief to hear you got it resolved! A $1 difference causing a rejection seems so frustrating, but I'm glad the transcript method worked. I'm actually dealing with a similar situation right now - got the same IND-507-01 code yesterday. Did you have any trouble setting up the IRS online account? I've heard the identity verification process can be tricky sometimes. Also wondering how long it took for the transcript to show up once you created the account? Thanks for sharing your success story - gives me hope that this might be simpler than I thought!
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