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Just want to add - hobby losses are treated differently than business losses. Since you're just selling personal items without intent to make a profit, this would be considered a hobby activity. You report the income on Schedule C but check "No" for business activity. The downside is you can only claim enough expenses to offset your income - you can't claim a loss if your expenses exceed your income. But since you're just trying to show zero profit, that shouldn't be an issue in your case.
Wait, so if OP spent $30k buying these cards over the years but only sold them for $26k, they can't claim that $4k loss?
That's correct. With hobby activities, you can only deduct expenses up to the amount of income you received. So in your example, they could deduct $26k of their $30k expenses, zeroing out the income, but couldn't claim the additional $4k as a loss on their taxes. This is different from a legitimate business where you can deduct all expenses and carry forward losses. It's one of the drawbacks of hobby classification, but it's still better than paying taxes on the full $26k without deducting any expenses.
I don't think this needs to be on Schedule C at all. This sounds like selling personal items, which would go on Schedule D as capital gains/losses. You report your basis (what you paid) and your selling price, and pay taxes only on the gain if there is any.
One additional consideration that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure you understand the timing of when your mom needs to report any capital gains. Even though she may qualify for the $250,000 exclusion on her primary residence, she'll still need to report the sale on her tax return for the year it closes. Since you're managing her finances with the POA, you'll likely be responsible for ensuring this gets reported correctly. The sale should be reported on Schedule D and Form 8949, even if no tax is owed due to the exclusion. Also, if your mom has any cognitive decline that affects her ability to understand financial matters, you might want to consider having a tax professional handle her return for the year of the sale. The documentation requirements and potential complexity of reporting a home sale while managing someone else's finances through a POA can be tricky to navigate solo.
This is such an important point that I wish I had known earlier! I'm currently helping my grandmother with her finances through a POA, and we just sold her condo last month. I had no idea that the sale still needed to be reported even if no tax is owed due to the exclusion. I've been doing her taxes myself for the past few years since they're usually pretty straightforward, but you're absolutely right that a home sale adds complexity. Between calculating the correct basis, documenting all the improvements over the years, and making sure I report everything correctly while acting as her POA, it feels like a lot of responsibility. Do you have any recommendations for finding a tax professional who has experience with POA situations? I want to make sure I find someone who understands both the tax implications and the fiduciary responsibilities that come with managing someone else's finances.
For finding a tax professional experienced with POA situations, I'd recommend looking for either a CPA or Enrolled Agent who specifically mentions elder law or estate planning in their practice areas. You can search the IRS directory of credentialed tax professionals and filter by location and specialties. When you call to interview potential candidates, ask specifically about their experience with POA tax situations and home sales for elderly clients. A good professional should be able to explain how they handle the documentation requirements and what records they'll need from you. Also consider reaching out to any elder law attorneys in your area - they often have referral networks of tax professionals they work with regularly on these types of situations. The National Academy of Elder Law Attorneys (NAELA) has a directory that might help you find local resources. One more tip - make sure whoever you choose understands that you'll need them to communicate with you as the POA holder rather than directly with your grandmother, and that they're comfortable working with the documentation requirements that come with acting under a POA.
I went through this exact situation with my father's house last year and learned a few hard lessons that might help you. One thing that caught me off guard was the timing of when you need to establish the cost basis - make sure you're collecting all improvement receipts NOW, not after the sale closes. Also, regarding transferring money to your personal account - I'd strongly recommend against doing this directly. Instead, keep the proceeds in an account that's still in your mom's name but that you manage with the POA. This creates a much cleaner paper trail and avoids any potential gift tax complications. If you do need to access the money for her care expenses, transfer smaller amounts as needed with clear documentation of what each transfer is for (medical bills, care facility payments, etc.). This approach protects both of you and makes it much easier if you ever need to account for how the money was used. The tax reporting is also more straightforward when the money stays in her name - you'll just report the sale on her return without having to worry about gift tax implications on your end.
This is really helpful advice, especially about keeping the proceeds in her name rather than transferring directly to my account. I hadn't considered how much cleaner that would make the paper trail. Quick question about collecting improvement receipts - my mom has lived in the house for 15 years and I'm not sure she kept receipts for all the work that was done, especially from the early years. Are there other ways to document improvements if you don't have the original receipts? I know we did a major kitchen renovation and some landscaping work, but finding those old records might be challenging. Also, when you say "smaller amounts as needed" for care expenses, do you have a rough guideline for what might raise red flags? I want to make sure I'm being appropriately conservative in how I handle this.
I've been following this thread closely since I'm dealing with a similar lien payoff situation for a closing next month. Based on everyone's experiences here, I wanted to share what I've learned from calling the IRS this week. The warm transfer method that several people mentioned really does seem to work better than calling the lien department directly. I tried both approaches - direct calling resulted in 3+ hour holds that ended in disconnections, but going through the main line (1-800-829-1040) and asking for a transfer got me connected in under an hour. The key seems to be calling right at 8 AM Eastern and being very clear with the first agent about having a time-sensitive real estate transaction. I said something like "I have a house closing in X days and need an urgent transfer to the lien department for a payoff letter." Most agents seem to understand the urgency of real estate deadlines. Also, for those considering the third-party services mentioned in this thread - I looked into a few of them and they do seem legitimate, but the warm transfer method costs nothing and appears to be just as effective if you time it right. One more tip: have your title company's direct contact information ready when you call. The IRS agent asked if they could send the payoff letter directly to my title company, which might speed up the process even more.
This is such valuable information! I'm actually scheduled to close on my house in just 6 days and have been panicking about getting my lien payoff letter. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been incredibly helpful. I tried the warm transfer method this morning after reading your post, and it worked! Called the main IRS line at 8:05 AM Eastern, explained I had an urgent real estate closing, and got transferred to the lien department with only a 30-minute wait. The agent was very understanding about my timeline and said they'd expedite the payoff letter. One thing I want to add for others in this situation - when you mention the real estate closing to the first agent, be specific about your closing date. I said "I have a house closing on [specific date] and absolutely need a lien payoff letter before then." The urgency in my voice seemed to help get the priority transfer. Also, I second having your title company's contact info ready. The IRS agent offered to email the payoff letter directly to my title company, which should save at least a day in processing time. Thank you to everyone who shared their experiences - this thread literally might have saved my home sale!
I'm going through the exact same situation right now! Reading everyone's experiences here has been incredibly reassuring - I thought I was the only one dealing with this nightmare. I've been trying to reach the IRS lien department for 8 days straight with no success. Every single call has resulted in 2+ hour holds followed by automatic disconnections. I'm closing on May 15th, so I still have a bit more time than you, but I'm already feeling the pressure. After reading this thread, I'm definitely going to try the warm transfer method tomorrow morning at 8 AM Eastern. The idea of calling the main line first and asking to be transferred directly to the lien department is brilliant - I can't believe I didn't think of that approach. I'm also going to prepare that one-page summary sheet that Leila mentioned with all my information organized. Having everything ready will definitely help me sound more professional and prepared when I finally get through. One question for anyone who has successfully used this method - how exactly do you phrase the transfer request to the first agent? I want to make sure I emphasize the urgency without sounding desperate or pushy. Should I mention the specific closing date right away? Thank you all for sharing your experiences. This thread is giving me hope that I can actually resolve this before my closing date!
I just went through this exact process yesterday after reading through all the advice in this thread! For the transfer request, I found that being direct but polite worked best. I said something like: "Hi, I have an urgent situation with a real estate closing scheduled for [specific date]. I need to speak with the lien department about getting a payoff letter, and I understand you may be able to transfer me directly rather than having me wait in their regular queue." The agent was actually very understanding and said they deal with these types of urgent real estate situations regularly. They put me on a brief hold while they contacted the lien department directly, then came back and said they were transferring me to an agent who was aware of my time-sensitive situation. The whole process took about 40 minutes from start to finish, which was incredible compared to my previous failed attempts. Having that one-page summary ready made a huge difference too - I was able to rattle off my SSN, lien serial number, and closing date immediately when the lien agent picked up. You've still got plenty of time with a May 15th closing, so don't stress too much. Just make sure to call right at 8 AM Eastern for the best chance of success. Good luck!
Has anyone used the Form 11 on ROS for partnership income? I found it super confusing how to report my share vs my husbands share and ended up ringing a chartered accountant.
The partnership section of Form 11 is a nightmare! What helped me was realizing you need to file a separate Form 1 (Partnership Return) first, then each partner files their own Form 11 showing their allocation of the partnership profit. The partnership itself doesn't pay tax - that flows through to each partner's personal tax return.
As someone who went through this exact same situation 18 months ago with my spouse, I can definitely relate to the confusion! One thing that really helped us was understanding that as a married couple in a partnership, you have more flexibility than you might think. First, don't panic about your business structure choice - partnerships can actually work well for married couples, especially in the early stages. The key is understanding your assessment options. You can choose joint assessment (where one spouse is the assessable spouse and includes both incomes) or separate assessment (where you each file individually). Joint assessment often works better for partnerships because it lets you pool your tax credits and rate bands. Also, make sure you're both claiming the Earned Income Tax Credit - it's β¬1,650 each for 2024, so that's β¬3,300 total you don't want to miss out on. And definitely look into income splitting strategies once you get established - being able to allocate profits based on actual contribution rather than strict 50/50 can save serious money. The threshold for considering incorporation is typically around β¬40-50k profit, so you have time to see how your first year goes before making any major structure changes. Focus on getting your partnership documentation sorted first - a simple partnership agreement outlining roles and profit sharing will make everything cleaner come tax time.
This is exactly the kind of comprehensive advice I was hoping for! Thank you for breaking down the assessment options so clearly. I had no idea about the Earned Income Tax Credit - that's β¬3,300 we definitely don't want to miss. Quick question about the partnership agreement - do we need to get it legally drafted or is a simple document we write ourselves sufficient for Revenue purposes? We're trying to keep startup costs reasonable but don't want to cut corners on something important. Also, when you mention income splitting based on "actual contribution," how detailed does that documentation need to be? We both work in the business but in different capacities - I handle most of the client work while my husband manages the admin and finances.
Sasha Reese
I've been using BlueBird for my tax refunds for the past 4 years and wanted to share what I've learned about their deposit timing. BlueBird typically processes IRS refunds faster than most traditional banks, but there's still that 24-48 hour window after the IRS releases the funds. What I've found helpful is checking my account around 5-6am Eastern time, since that's when most of their overnight processing seems to complete. Also, if your transcript shows the 846 code with tomorrow's date, that's when the IRS actually sends the money - BlueBird usually has it posted within 24 hours of that. I know the waiting is stressful, especially when you're counting on that money, but based on everyone's experiences here, it sounds like BlueBird has been pretty consistent this year. Hang in there!
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Dmitry Sokolov
β’Thanks for sharing your 4-year experience with BlueBird! The 5-6am Eastern check time is super helpful - I had no idea they did most of their processing overnight. I've been checking randomly throughout the day which is probably why I keep missing it. Quick question - have you noticed any difference in processing speed depending on the day of the week? Like do weekend deposits take longer than weekday ones? I'm wondering if I should expect any delays since my WMR date falls on a Friday.
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Ravi Sharma
I've been following BlueBird deposit patterns for my family for years, and here's what I've noticed: the timing really depends on when exactly the IRS releases your specific refund within their daily batch cycles. They typically send refunds out in multiple waves throughout the day - early morning, midday, and late afternoon batches. BlueBird processes these pretty quickly, but if your refund gets released in a late afternoon batch on Thursday, it might not hit your account until Friday morning. The good news is that BlueBird doesn't seem to have the same weekend processing delays that traditional banks do. I've seen deposits hit on Saturdays when the IRS releases funds on Friday evenings. Since you're at day 21 and WMR shows tomorrow, you're definitely in the normal timeframe. I'd check your account first thing tomorrow morning - most people I know with BlueBird see their deposits between 3am-7am Eastern when they do hit.
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