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Angelica Smith

First Time Filing Schedule E - Rental Property Expenses with No Income Yet

So I'm diving into the Schedule E world and could use some guidance. I got married back in March 2025 and moved into my husband's place after the wedding. We decided to rent out my townhouse since it didn't make sense to sell in the current market. We formed an LLC for the rental on April 12, 2025. I've put money into getting the property ready - replaced some appliances, hired an electrician to fix some issues, and had some plumbing work done. We also purchased a pickup truck that we'll use partly for the rental property (it's about 45 minutes away from where we live now). We've kept all receipts and documentation for these expenses. Here's my issue: I haven't been able to find a qualified tenant yet. The townhouse was updated about 3 years ago and is in a nice area, so I'm being selective about renters. I'm confident we'll have it rented by fall 2025, but for the 2024 tax year, I only have expenses and zero rental income. I want to claim these expenses on Schedule E for 2024, but my tax preparer is refusing, saying it would trigger an audit. Honestly, I don't mind being audited as long as everything I'm doing is legitimate and defensible. Can I file Schedule E with only expenses? Am I entitled to these deductions even without rental income yet? I've got all documentation and legitimate business intent.

You're in what's called the "start-up phase" of your rental business, and yes, you can absolutely claim those expenses on Schedule E even without rental income yet. The key is showing that you have a genuine intention to make a profit and are actively trying to rent the property. The expenses you described (repairs, maintenance, truck expenses related to the rental) are generally deductible once the property is "placed in service." The IRS considers a property "placed in service" when it's ready and available for rent, even if you haven't secured a tenant yet. Keep detailed records of everything - your rental listings, communications with potential renters, any screening you've done, along with all expense receipts. Document your mileage for any trips to the property with the date, purpose, and miles driven. For the truck, you'll need to track business vs. personal use and only deduct the business portion. Same with any tools or equipment - if they're used for personal purposes too, you can only deduct the business percentage.

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Thank you for this detailed response! One question: does creating the LLC officially mark the "placed in service" date, or is it when I first listed the property for rent? I've been showing the property since May but being selective with tenants. Also, for the truck - we use it about 60% for personal and 40% for the rental. Should I just track mileage for rental trips specifically, or can I deduct 40% of all expenses (payments, insurance, etc.)?

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Creating the LLC doesn't automatically mark the "placed in service" date - it's when the property was first available and you actively started marketing it for rent. The fact that you've been showing it since May is perfect documentation that it was placed in service then, regardless of when you find a tenant. For the truck, you have two options. You can either track and deduct actual expenses (including 40% of payments, insurance, maintenance, etc.) or use the standard mileage rate for all rental-related trips. Most people find the standard mileage rate simpler, especially in your situation. Just keep a detailed mileage log with dates, purpose, and miles for each rental-related trip.

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Ella Lewis

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Just a warning about the truck expense - be really careful with this. You mentioned buying it "knowing we would need it for this rental as well as some things for our household." That mixed-use makes it tricky. The IRS scrutinizes vehicle deductions heavily. If you get audited, they'll want to see a detailed mileage log with dates, destinations, and business purpose for EVERY trip related to the rental. Without that, they can disallow the entire deduction. Also, if the property is only 45 minutes away, consider whether you really need a truck specifically for the rental or if it's more of a personal vehicle you occasionally use for the rental. Be honest with yourself about the primary purpose.

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This is important advice! I learned this the hard way when I got audited for my Schedule E deductions. The IRS agent basically laughed when I claimed my SUV was partly for my rental properties. Unless you have contemporaneous mileage logs (recorded at the time, not created later), you'll lose that deduction fast!

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Ella Lewis

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Yes, exactly! The key term is "contemporaneous" records - meaning you create the log at the time of the activity, not months later when preparing taxes. The IRS specifically looks for this. A good practice is using a mileage tracking app on your phone that automatically logs trips, or keeping a small notebook in your vehicle where you immediately record the date, starting mileage, ending mileage, and business purpose after each rental-related trip. If the truck is truly 40% business use, you need documentation that would prove that to an auditor. Without it, the vehicle deduction is very vulnerable.

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Has anyone here actually been audited for Schedule E with no income? I'm in a similar situation with a property I'm rehabbing to rent out. I've had only expenses for 6 months now. Want to claim them but scared of audit risk.

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Alexis Renard

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I was audited for exactly this situation about 2 years ago. The key was showing documentation that I was actively trying to rent the property - I had saved copies of all my online listings, emails with potential tenants, and documentation of showings. I also had all my receipts organized by category (repairs vs improvements) and photos showing the work being done. The auditor initially questioned why I had no income, but after seeing all my documentation that I was genuinely trying to rent it out (just being selective with tenants), they accepted all my deductions. Just make sure you can prove business intent.

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Thank you for sharing your experience! That's really helpful. I've been keeping receipts but haven't been saving my rental listings or emails with potential tenants. Going to start doing that immediately. Did you need to show them bank statements or anything like that to verify your expenses?

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Camila Jordan

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned - If your wife already owned her house before marriage and you owned your condo before marriage, be careful about how you're filing. In some states, property owned before marriage remains separate property, which can affect how the rental income and expenses should be reported. If the condo is still in your name only, and not jointly with your wife, you might need to file Schedule E under just your name, not jointly. The LLC complicates things further. You should really consult with a CPA who specializes in real estate, not just a general tax preparer.

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That's a great point I hadn't considered. The condo is still in my name only, but we created the LLC together with both our names. Does that change how I should report this on Schedule E? Should I be filing the rental income/expenses through the LLC instead?

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Camila Jordan

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Since the property is still in your name but the LLC has both names, you have a few options. If the LLC is a single-member LLC (taxed as a disregarded entity), you could report it on Schedule E under your name. If it's a multi-member LLC (partnership by default), you'd need to file Form 1065 for the partnership and receive K-1s. In your specific case, since the property hasn't been formally transferred to the LLC (which would require a deed transfer), you might still report it on Schedule E personally. However, the fact that you created an LLC with both names suggests you intended it to be a partnership activity. This is definitely one area where a real estate tax specialist could save you headaches. They might suggest either: 1) formally transferring the property to the LLC, or 2) filing Form 8832 to elect how you want the LLC to be taxed. Don't just follow what your current tax preparer says if they don't specifically understand rental property taxation.

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Your tax preparer is being overly cautious. You absolutely can and should claim legitimate rental property expenses on Schedule E even without rental income yet. The IRS allows deductions for properties that are "placed in service" - meaning ready and available for rent - regardless of whether you've found tenants. The fact that you're actively showing the property and being selective about tenants actually strengthens your position. This demonstrates genuine business intent, not a hobby activity. Keep detailed records of your marketing efforts, showings, and communications with potential renters. A few key points for your situation: - Document everything: receipts, photos of work done, rental listings, showing appointments - The LLC formation date doesn't determine "placed in service" - it's when you first made the property available for rent - Start keeping a mileage log NOW for any rental-related trips with the truck - Consider finding a tax professional who specializes in rental properties if your current preparer won't file Schedule E The IRS has consistently ruled in favor of taxpayers who can demonstrate legitimate business purpose and proper documentation. Your expenses are real business costs that should be deductible. Don't let fear of an audit prevent you from claiming legitimate deductions you're entitled to take.

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