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Rental Income Tax Reporting - First Year Property Tips & Schedule E Questions

Hey everyone, I just started renting out a property last year and I'm trying to figure out how to properly fill out my Schedule E in TurboTax. I've got a couple questions I could use some help with. First, I'm not sure if I allocated my HUD-1 closing costs to the right categories for tax purposes. Here's how I categorized them: ABSTRACT AND RECORDING FEES - recording fee (deed) - recording fee (mortgage) LEGAL FEES, TITLE SEARCH, DOCUMENT PREP - application fee - attorney review fee - credit report fee - flood certification - title - closing agent fee - title - searches and misc - title - settlement/closing - borrower attorney fee LAND SURVEY - appraisal fee TITLE INSURANCE - title - lenders title insurance - title - owners title insurance TRANSFER OR STAMP TAXES - tax service fee I didn't include these fees since I wasn't sure if they qualify: - administration fee to building management - move in fee - working capital contribution to building Second question: TurboTax calculated my cost basis as $134,628 with a $257 rental expense deduction. Does that sound right based on these details? - Property rented from 10/1-12/31 - Rental income: $14,000 - Real estate taxes: $5,100 (full year) - Insurance premiums: $2,000 - Repairs: $450 - Cleaning/maintenance: $4,000 - Mortgage interest: $11,500 (selected qualified interest) - Utilities: $400 - Supplies: $80 - Misc expenses: $130 - Purchase price: $520k - FMV: $535k (Zillow showed higher but went with something conservative) - Bathroom renovation just before renting: $15k - Property tax assessment: $215,000 for land and $100,000 for improvements - Selected "not qualified business income" Really appreciate any help with this!

The HUD-1 categorization looks mostly correct! For tax purposes, certain closing costs are added to your basis while others are expensed. Let me help clarify a few things. Your allocation of recording fees, legal fees, title search, land survey, title insurance, and transfer taxes all look appropriate. These are generally capitalized and added to your property basis. For the fees you weren't sure about - the administration fee to building management and move-in fee are typically considered rental expenses in your first year. The working capital contribution is trickier - this is typically considered a capital asset and not immediately deductible since it's more like a deposit. Regarding your cost basis question - the $134,628 seems off based on the numbers you provided. With a purchase price of $520k, the land portion (based on your tax assessment showing roughly 68% building/32% land split) would be about $166,400, leaving a depreciable building basis of around $353,600 plus the bathroom renovation of $15k. Your basis for depreciation should be closer to $368,600, not $134,628. The $257 rental expense deduction also seems very low considering your three months of expenses. I'd carefully check how TurboTax is calculating your depreciation and expenses. Make sure you've properly allocated expenses to the rental period (Oct-Dec).

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Thanks for the detailed response! I was really confused about those building-related fees. So the admin fee and move-in fee can be expensed in year 1, but the working capital contribution should be capitalized? Also, why does my cost basis seem so off? Did I possibly make a mistake with how I entered the land vs. building value in TurboTax? Or could it be calculating something else entirely?

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Yes, the admin fee and move-in fee can generally be expensed in year 1 as they're considered operating expenses rather than costs that add value to the property. The working capital contribution is essentially a deposit to the building's reserve fund, so it's typically considered a capital asset. For your cost basis issue, I suspect there might be an input error in TurboTax. The software should be calculating your depreciable basis as: purchase price + capital improvements - land value. With your purchase price of $520k, bathroom renovation of $15k, and land value of approximately $166,400, your depreciable basis should be around $368,600. Double-check how you entered the property value allocation between land and building - that's the most common source of this kind of discrepancy. TurboTax might also be showing you only a partial year's depreciation amount rather than the full basis.

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For your first question, don't forget that some closing costs must be depreciated over 27.5 years rather than expensed in the first year! I made this mistake my first year and had to file an amended return. Points paid at closing for the mortgage should be amortized over the life of the loan. Legal fees, transfer taxes, and title insurance related to acquiring the property are added to your basis and depreciated. For your second question, that cost basis seems WAY too low unless you own just a small percentage of the property. With a $520k purchase price, even if the land value is high, your depreciable basis should be much higher. Double check if you accidentally entered a partial ownership percentage in TurboTax.

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I second this! My cost basis was off by a lot in TurboTax because I accidentally entered 55% instead of 5.5% for the land percentage. The software doesn't flag these kinds of errors. Also watch out for the depreciation start date - if you don't set it correctly to when you started renting (10/1 in your case), the calculations will be off.

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I didn't even think about the possibility of entering the wrong ownership percentage. I'll definitely check that. Just to clarify, with the closing costs - so things like recording fees, title insurance, etc. all get added to the property basis and depreciated over 27.5 years rather than being expensed in year 1?

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Yes, that's correct. Costs directly related to acquiring the property (like recording fees, title insurance, legal fees for the purchase) get added to your property basis and depreciated over 27.5 years. They're not immediately deductible expenses. Costs related to obtaining the mortgage (like mortgage recording fees, certain points) are typically amortized over the life of the loan. Regular operating expenses once you own the property (repairs, management fees, utilities, etc.) can be deducted in the year you pay them. With a $520k purchase price and the land/building ratio from your tax assessment, I'd expect your depreciable basis to be in the $350k-$370k range. The $134k figure suggests something is definitely off in your TurboTax entries.

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Don't overthink the building management fees! I spent hours researching this same question last year. The admin fee and move-in fee are definitely deductible in year 1 as rental expenses. The working capital contribution is trickier - technically it's a deposit into the building's reserve, so it's not immediately deductible. Also, make sure TurboTax is prorating your expenses correctly for the partial year. For things like property taxes and insurance, you can only deduct the portion that applies to when the property was actually a rental (Oct-Dec in your case). So that would be 3/12 of your annual amounts. This might be why some of your numbers look off.

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For the working capital contribution specifically, I believe you can deduct it when the building actually spends the money on deductible expenses. My condo sends me a statement each year showing what portion of my contribution was used for repairs vs. capital improvements, which helps for tax purposes.

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I had a very similar situation with my first rental property! Your cost basis calculation is definitely off - with a $520k purchase price, that $134,628 figure suggests there's an input error somewhere in TurboTax. A few things to double-check: 1. Make sure you entered the correct land/building allocation. Based on your tax assessment ($215k land, $100k improvements), you should allocate roughly 68% to land and 32% to building from your purchase price. 2. Verify you didn't accidentally enter a partial ownership percentage or put in the wrong purchase price. 3. The bathroom renovation ($15k) should be added to your depreciable basis since it was done before placing in service. Your depreciable basis should be approximately: ($520k - $353k land value) + $15k renovation = ~$182k for the building portion. For the closing costs, most of what you listed (recording fees, title insurance, legal fees) get capitalized into your basis rather than expensed immediately. The admin fee and move-in fee to building management can typically be expensed in year 1, but the working capital contribution is usually treated as a capital asset. Also make sure TurboTax is correctly prorating your expenses for the 3-month rental period (Oct-Dec). Your actual deductible expenses should be much higher than $257 for three months of operation.

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