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I successfully navigated this last year! Filed in January (yes, I'm that person who has their W-2s organized before they even arrive, haha). I drafted a detailed letter explaining why I needed to keep my Child Tax Credit - school expenses, medical bills not covered by insurance, and car repairs. Trustee approved me keeping 100% of the CTC portion but took half of the regular refund. The key is documentation and timing - don't wait until the last minute like my neighbor did π¬
I've been in Chapter 13 for exactly 37 months now. In my district, they distinguish between earned income credits and regular tax refunds. I was allowed to keep 100% of my $3,742 EIC last year, but had to surrender 75% of my regular refund of $1,893. The trustee required me to provide my complete tax return within 14 days of filing. They then issued a determination letter exactly 21 days later specifying what I could keep. The process varies significantly by jurisdiction though.
Be careful with these refund advances. I've seen cases where users didn't read the fine print and ended up with unexpected fees. The TurboTax Refund Advance is technically a loan product with specific repayment terms through their banking partner. According to their terms of service, the advance is typically recaptured from your federal refund through a temporary account they establish. However, if there's an issue with your federal refund (like an offset or adjustment), you may still be responsible for repaying the advance through other means. Always check the specific terms in your agreement as they can change year to year.
Let me walk you through how the TurboTax Refund Advance typically works: 1. When you apply for the advance, you're actually getting a loan from a partner bank 2. During tax filing, TurboTax creates a temporary bank account (sometimes called a SBTPG account) 3. Your federal refund is directed to this temporary account first 4. The bank deducts the advance amount plus any applicable fees 5. The remaining balance is forwarded to your personal bank account 6. Your state refund is typically sent directly to your personal account This structure is why they generally only take repayment from the federal refund. The state refund usually bypasses their temporary account system entirely.
Wow, I never realized they created a whole temporary bank account for this process! That makes so much sense now. Last year I was confused why my federal refund seemed to take an extra step before reaching me compared to my state refund. This explains the exact mechanism.
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Is this temporary account creation reported to ChexSystems or similar banking verification systems? I'm wondering if getting multiple refund advances over different tax years could potentially affect one's banking history or ability to open new accounts?
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One thing nobody's mentioned - if you filed recently, the IRS systems might still be catching up. The IRS moves at the speed of a three-toed sloth swimming through molasses, especially during tax season. π Also worth checking: did you file under a different name (marriage/divorce situation) or address than what's in the IRS system? That can sometimes cause the system to not recognize your return immediately. I've seen cases where this triggered the non-filing message even though the return was in the system.
Last year I had this exact same issue. The return transcript showed "verification of non-filing" while my return was actually being processed. I called the IRS after trying for days (got lucky with the timing I guess) and they confirmed my return was in the system but just hadn't been fully processed yet. Two weeks later, everything updated correctly and I got my refund. The system isn't perfect, but usually things work out in the end. Just keep checking your Account Transcript every few days - that's where you'll see the changes first.
Is it just me, or does this sound too optimistic? When I filed with corrected W-2s in 2022, my return took over 9 weeks to process, compared to my husband's standard return that took only 2 weeks. Has anyone actually seen a return with amended documents process this quickly?
I actually have! Last month my transcript went from nothing to having an 846 code in just one update. I had filed with a corrected 1099-G from unemployment. The key difference might be that my employer had already submitted the corrected forms to the IRS before I filed, so there was no discrepancy for them to resolve manually.
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The Cycle Code on your transcript is the critical factor here. If your return has been assigned to the weekly processing cycle ending on Friday, then yes, a Refund Issued (846) code could appear with a Direct Deposit Date (DDD) for next week. The Transaction Code Posting Date doesn't necessarily reflect when processing occurred - just when it posts to the Master File system.
I've noticed this pattern too! My transcript showed a cycle code ending in 05 (which means Thursday night/Friday morning updates), and sure enough, my 846 code appeared exactly on that cycle date. The IRS batching system is remarkably consistent when you understand the patterns.
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According to the Treasury Offset Program guidelines (https://fiscal.treasury.gov/top/), agencies must certify debts to the TOP system before they can be collected through tax refund offset. This certification process follows a specific timeline: 1. Federal agencies update their delinquent debt records monthly 2. State agencies typically update quarterly 3. The TOP database refreshes weekly, usually on Thursdays If you're only seeing last year's offsets, it could mean: - No new debts have been certified against you - New debts haven't been processed in the current cycle - There's a system delay in the database update You can call the TOP directly at 800-304-3107 with your SSN to get the most current information, which is often more up-to-date than the online portal.
In my experience working with clients in similar situations, the offset visibility issue is fairly common, particularly during peak tax season. The Treasury Department generally processes offsets in batches, and there's often, though not always, a lag between when an offset is applied and when it appears in the portal. If you're concerned, you might want to contact any creditors you're aware of to check your current status. For those going through divorce proceedings, it's particularly important to understand that joint debts from your marriage could potentially affect your refund, even if the divorce decree assigns those debts to your ex-spouse.
When comparing this to other tax situations, a $445 Premium Tax Credit discrepancy is relatively minor. For context, I had a client with a $12,000 PTC issue that still didn't trigger penalties because they filed an amendment promptly. The technical aspect to understand is that Form 8962 calculates your PTC eligibility based on the second-lowest cost Silver plan (SLCSP) in your area compared to your household income as a percentage of the federal poverty level. The amendment will either result in additional refund or establish a repayment amount, which may be capped depending on your income bracket.
Have you checked if you can still file electronically? As of February 15, 2024, the IRS opened electronic filing for Form 1040-X, which would process much faster than paper. I'd recommend filing the amendment by March 31st to ensure it's processed before the April tax deadline. If you wait until after April 15th, even though you're allowed to amend within 3 years, it could complicate matters if you have marketplace coverage for 2024 as well.
Oh gosh, I need to warn you about something! My sister had this EXACT situation last year and she just ignored it thinking it would resolve itself. Two months later she got a CP05 notice saying they were holding her refund for 60 MORE days for review! I'm not trying to scare you, but I wish someone had told her to be proactive earlier. I was so upset for her because she needed that money for her car repair! π«
Let me clarify what typically happens with code 810: 1. The freeze is placed on the account 2. IRS reviews the items flagged for verification 3. If no issues are found, the freeze is removed (code 811) 4. If verification is needed, a letter is sent (usually CP05) 5. The taxpayer responds with requested documentation 6. After successful verification, the freeze is lifted The key is to watch for any correspondence and respond promptly if received.
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Doesn't the IRS have to send a notice within 21 days if they're holding your refund? Or is that just a guideline they often ignore? I'm wondering if OP should be concerned about not receiving anything yet.
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According to what I've read on the IRS.gov website and some tax forums, the combination of code 810 with "no tax return filed" status often means your return is in the processing queue but has been flagged for some type of review. This doesn't necessarily mean there's a problem with your return - it could be random selection. Have you checked the Where's My Refund tool at https://www.irs.gov/refunds? Sometimes that shows different status information than what appears on your transcript.
I'm feeling your pain right now! My transcript just updated after being empty for WEEKS and I was literally checking it every morning at 5am!! The waiting is the WORST part! Hang in there - the codes will show up when you least expect it. I was about to have a breakdown and then BAM - everything updated overnight and my refund was processed the next day!
According to Internal Revenue Manual 21.4.1.3, transcript generation follows a specific protocol where the framework is established prior to code population. Per IRS Publication 5344, this is standard procedure and doesn't indicate any issues with your return. If you're approaching the 21-day mark per IRC Section 6151, you may want to request a processing trace by filing Form 4506-T, though I'd recommend waiting until you're at least 28 days from your filing date.
According to the IRS operations dashboard (https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-operations), they're currently processing returns received in late January, but there's significant variation based on several factors. Here's what you should do: 1. Check your return for accuracy - verify all SSNs, income amounts, and that you've included all W-2s/1099s 2. Verify your e-file status at https://sa.www4.irs.gov/secureaccess - if it shows "accepted" you're in the system 3. Request your account transcript (not return transcript) as it updates first 4. If you reach 45 days with no updates, you can request a taxpayer advocate at 877-777-4778 Most importantly, don't panic - early filers are seeing 30-45 day processing times this year despite the IRS's 21-day guidance. Your return is likely just in the standard processing queue.
Be careful about assuming everything is fine. I had a similar situation last year and it turned out there was an identity verification hold that I was never notified about. After waiting 8 weeks, I finally called and discovered I needed to complete ID verification before my return would process. The IRS doesn't always send the verification letter promptly. Check for any notices in your online account and consider calling after 30 days of no movement.
This is an important point. Identity verification holds (IDV) are becoming increasingly common as the IRS enhances fraud prevention. These holds often show no indication on WMR or transcripts until resolved. You can proactively check if you have an IDV requirement by visiting the ID.me verification portal through your IRS online account. Taking this step could potentially save weeks of waiting.
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I had this EXACT issue: β’ Filed Jan 15th last year β’ No updates for 9 weeks β’ Called multiple times - no help β’ Finally got a letter in APRIL saying I needed to verify identity β’ Completed verification same day β’ Got refund 10 days later SO FRUSTRATING that they hold your refund without telling you why! The system is broken when they can't even notify people promptly about verification needs.
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Connor Murphy
Based on Treasury Offset Program regulations and the Debt Collection Improvement Act, your situation presents an interesting case. The Electronic Funds Transfer Act requires notification before intercepting federal payments, which is why you should have received a Pre-Offset Notice if an offset was pending. The fact that the TOP line shows $0 but you were denied for a tax advance loan suggests the lender's internal algorithms detected something the TOP system hasn't registered yet. This is likely because state unemployment agencies utilize the Treasury Offset Program State Reciprocal Program (SRP) which sometimes has a different timeline than federal debts. I'd recommend monitoring both the TOP line and your transcript for code 898, which indicates an offset has been applied. You don't need to wait for full processing to know about potential offsets, but sometimes they don't appear until later in the process.
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Yara Nassar
Last year I had a state tax offset that never showed up on the TOP phone line. Found out when my refund came in $732 short. Called IRS and they said once the return is accepted, it's too late to stop the offset process even if it wasn't showing on the TOP line. The unemployment agency must have submitted it right after I filed. My advice: call your state unemployment office directly and ask if they've submitted your debt for tax offset. They can tell you immediately if it's in process. Don't trust the TOP line alone.
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