What actually happens when you appeal unemployment benefits - Washington ESD process?
I got denied for unemployment benefits last month and I'm thinking about filing an appeal with Washington ESD. This is my first time dealing with any of this and I'm honestly pretty confused about what happens next if I go through with it. Do they just review my case again or is there like a hearing? How long does the whole appeal process take? I've heard different things from people and I want to know what I'm getting into before I submit the appeal paperwork.
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KhalilStar
The Washington ESD appeal process has several steps. First, you file your appeal within 30 days of getting your determination letter. Then they'll schedule a hearing with an administrative law judge where you can present your case. You'll get to explain why you think the denial was wrong and provide any evidence you have.
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Connor Murphy
•Do I need a lawyer for the hearing or can I represent myself?
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KhalilStar
•You can represent yourself. Most people do. Just make sure you have all your documentation organized and be prepared to explain your situation clearly.
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Amelia Dietrich
I went through this whole mess last year. The hearing is usually done over the phone now, not in person. They'll send you a packet with instructions and a date/time. The judge will ask you questions and also question your former employer if they participate.
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Connor Murphy
•Did your employer show up to argue against you?
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Amelia Dietrich
•Yeah they did, which made it more complicated. But I had saved all my emails and text messages which helped prove my case.
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Kaiya Rivera
Just a heads up - the whole appeals process can take 2-3 months from start to finish. If you win your appeal, they'll pay you retroactively for all the weeks you were denied. But if you lose, you might have to pay back any benefits you received while the appeal was pending.
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Connor Murphy
•Wait, they make you pay back benefits during the appeal? That doesn't seem right.
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Kaiya Rivera
•Only if you were getting benefits while appealing a different issue. If you were completely denied from the start, there's nothing to pay back.
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Katherine Ziminski
Honestly, I was stuck trying to get through to Washington ESD for weeks about my appeal status. The phone system is impossible. Finally found this service called Claimyr that actually got me connected to a real person at ESD. Check out claimyr.com - they have a demo video at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows exactly how it works. Saved me so much frustration.
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Noah Irving
•How much does something like that cost? Seems like you shouldn't have to pay to talk to the government.
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Katherine Ziminski
•I thought the same thing at first, but the time and stress it saved me was worth it. Plus I was able to get my appeal questions answered directly instead of guessing.
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Vanessa Chang
The whole appeals system is ridiculous if you ask me. They deny people left and right then make you jump through hoops to prove you deserve benefits. I've been fighting mine for 6 weeks now and still no resolution.
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Madison King
•What was your denial reason? Some are easier to appeal than others.
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Vanessa Chang
•They said I quit voluntarily but I was actually laid off due to budget cuts. My manager even wrote me a letter confirming it but ESD still denied me initially.
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KhalilStar
For misconduct denials, you really need to document everything. Save any disciplinary notices, performance reviews, emails about the termination. The burden of proof is on Washington ESD to show misconduct occurred, but you need evidence to refute their claims.
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Connor Murphy
•My denial was for 'voluntary quit' but I was actually fired. Do I need anything specific to prove that?
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KhalilStar
•Get a copy of your termination paperwork if possible. Any emails or texts about being fired. Witness statements from coworkers can help too.
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Julian Paolo
just went thru this, took forever but finally won. make sure u file ur weekly claims even while appealing or you'll lose those weeks
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Connor Murphy
•Really? I thought you couldn't file claims if you were denied.
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Julian Paolo
•nope u have to keep filing even if ur getting $0. they told me at the hearing
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Kaiya Rivera
The administrative law judges are generally fair, but they stick strictly to Washington state employment laws. Make sure you understand the specific reason for your denial and address that directly in your appeal letter and at the hearing.
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Ella Knight
•Where do you find the specific laws they use? I want to research before my hearing.
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Kaiya Rivera
•Washington state RCW 50.20 covers most unemployment eligibility requirements. The ESD website also has explanations of common denial reasons.
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Amelia Dietrich
One thing I wish I'd known - you can request to reschedule your hearing if the date doesn't work. They're usually pretty accommodating as long as you ask in advance and have a legitimate reason.
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Connor Murphy
•How far in advance do they usually schedule the hearings?
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Amelia Dietrich
•Mine was about 3 weeks out from when I got the notice. But I've heard it can vary depending on their caseload.
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William Schwarz
My cousin used Claimyr too when she was dealing with her appeal stuff. Said it was the only way she could actually talk to someone at ESD about her case status. The regular phone number just kept hanging up on her after hours of waiting.
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Lauren Johnson
•I've been trying to call for two weeks with no luck. Maybe I should check that out.
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William Schwarz
•Yeah definitely worth it if you need to actually speak with someone. The automated system is useless for complex situations like appeals.
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Jade Santiago
Remember that even if you lose at the first appeal level with the administrative law judge, you can appeal that decision to the Board of Appeals. It's another layer but sometimes they overturn the judge's decision.
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Connor Murphy
•How often do people win at the Board of Appeals level?
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Jade Santiago
•Not sure of exact statistics, but they do overturn some decisions. Worth pursuing if you have strong grounds and the judge made an error.
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Caleb Stone
Pro tip: record the hearing if allowed in your state. Having an exact record of what was said can be helpful if you need to appeal further. Ask the judge at the beginning if recording is permitted.
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Daniel Price
•I thought they record it themselves?
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Caleb Stone
•They do, but getting a copy can take time and cost money. Your own recording gives you immediate access to review what happened.
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Olivia Evans
The worst part about appeals is the waiting. Your bills don't stop while Washington ESD takes months to figure things out. I ended up having to borrow money from family just to survive during the process.
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Connor Murphy
•That's what I'm worried about. I can maybe make it another month without income.
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Olivia Evans
•Look into local food banks and assistance programs. United Way has resources that can help bridge the gap.
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Sophia Bennett
Don't give up if you believe you're right. I almost didn't appeal because the process seemed overwhelming, but I'm glad I did. Won my case and got 12 weeks of back pay. It made a huge difference.
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Connor Murphy
•That's encouraging. I really think my denial was wrong but I was getting intimidated by all the legal stuff.
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Sophia Bennett
•It's not as scary as it sounds. Just be honest, stick to the facts, and have your documentation ready. The judges deal with regular people all the time, not just lawyers.
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Aiden Chen
Make sure you understand the difference between being fired for cause versus being laid off. Washington ESD treats them very differently for eligibility purposes. If you were laid off due to lack of work, that should be an easy appeal to win.
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Connor Murphy
•My employer said I was fired but it was really because they couldn't afford to keep me. Is that considered a layoff?
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Aiden Chen
•If the termination was due to business reasons and not your performance or conduct, that's typically considered a layoff for unemployment purposes.
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Zoey Bianchi
Does anyone know if you can have a witness testify at the hearing? I have a former supervisor who would back up my version of events.
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KhalilStar
•Yes, you can have witnesses. Let the judge know at the beginning of the hearing that you have a witness who wants to testify.
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Zoey Bianchi
•Perfect, that should really help my case. Thanks for the info!
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Christopher Morgan
I used that Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier when I needed to check on my appeal status. Worked great - got through to ESD in minutes instead of spending all day trying to call. Really helped me understand where things stood in the process.
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Connor Murphy
•I think I'm going to try that. This whole process is stressful enough without having to fight just to get basic information.
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Christopher Morgan
•Exactly. Having actual information about your case status makes everything less anxiety-inducing. Worth checking out for sure.
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Aurora St.Pierre
One more thing - make sure your appeal letter is detailed but concise. Explain specifically why you disagree with the denial and what evidence you have. Don't just say 'I disagree' - give them substance to work with.
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Connor Murphy
•Is there a template or format I should follow for the appeal letter?
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Aurora St.Pierre
•Washington ESD's website has some guidance, but basically: state your case clearly, reference the determination you're appealing, and list your evidence. Keep it professional.
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Grace Johnson
Good luck with your appeal! It's definitely worth fighting if you believe you're eligible. The system makes mistakes and the appeals process exists for a reason. Stay organized and don't let them intimidate you.
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Connor Murphy
•Thanks everyone for all the advice. I feel much better about moving forward with the appeal now.
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Grace Johnson
•You've got this! Come back and let us know how it goes.
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Oscar Murphy
I went through a similar appeal process about 6 months ago and won my case. One thing that really helped me was organizing all my documents in chronological order - termination letter, any HR communications, performance reviews, etc. The judge appreciated having everything laid out clearly. Also, practice explaining your situation out loud beforehand so you're not stumbling over words during the hearing. The judges are used to dealing with nervous people, but being prepared definitely helps your case. The whole process took about 8 weeks for me from filing to decision, but it was worth the wait when I got my back pay.
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Yara Khoury
•That's really helpful about organizing documents chronologically! I hadn't thought about that but it makes total sense. Did you have any trouble getting your termination paperwork from your employer? I'm worried they might not cooperate since they're probably the ones who contested my claim in the first place.
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