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Washington ESD disqualification - which action would disqualify an applicant from receiving unemployment compensation?

I'm helping my brother understand what could get him disqualified from Washington ESD benefits and want to make sure I give him accurate info. He's been working at a warehouse for 8 months but has been having issues with his supervisor. I know there are certain things that can automatically disqualify you from unemployment compensation but I'm not sure what the specific rules are. Can someone explain which actions would actually disqualify an applicant from receiving benefits? I want to make sure he doesn't do anything that would hurt his chances if he ends up needing to file a claim.

The main disqualifications are voluntary quit without good cause, being fired for misconduct, and refusing suitable work. If your brother quits without a valid reason like unsafe working conditions or significant changes to his job, he'll be disqualified. Same if he gets fired for things like theft, repeated violations of company policy, or insubordination.

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What counts as misconduct exactly? His supervisor has been really difficult and he's worried about losing his temper.

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Misconduct has to be willful and work-related. Losing your temper once might not be misconduct, but repeated insubordination or threats definitely would be. Document everything his supervisor does wrong.

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Don't forget about the job search requirements! If you're approved for benefits but then don't do your required job searches or turn down suitable work, you can get disqualified too. Washington ESD is pretty strict about this now.

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How many job searches do you have to do each week?

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It's usually 3 job search activities per week but can vary based on your situation. You have to log them in the system too.

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How much does something like that cost? I'm already stressed about money.

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The peace of mind is worth it when you're dealing with benefit issues. Much cheaper than losing weeks of benefits because you can't reach anyone.

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fraud is another big one that will disqualify you permanently. if you lie about anything on your application or weekly claims, youre done. they check everything now

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What kind of things do they check? Like if you worked some cash jobs or something?

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wages, job separations, availability for work, all of it. they cross reference with employers and other agencies

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Being unavailable for work is a huge one too. If you're not able and available to work full-time, you can't get benefits. This includes things like being in school full-time, having transportation issues, or childcare problems that prevent you from accepting work.

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Wait, I thought you could get benefits while going to school if you were in an approved training program?

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Yes, there are exceptions for approved training programs, but regular full-time school usually disqualifies you unless you can prove you're still available for work.

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My brother doesn't have any of those issues, he's definitely available for work.

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I got disqualified because I couldn't prove I was laid off and not fired. Even though I was clearly laid off due to lack of work, my employer reported it wrong and Washington ESD sided with them initially. Took forever to get it straightened out.

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How did you finally get it resolved?

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Had to file an appeal and provide documentation showing the layoff was due to lack of work, not performance issues. The appeal process took about 6 weeks.

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This is why it's so important to get any job separation details in writing from your employer.

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Criminal convictions can also disqualify you in some cases, especially if they're related to your work or if you're incarcerated. Washington ESD has specific rules about this.

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My brother doesn't have any criminal issues so that's not a concern.

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Good, that's one less thing to worry about. Just make sure he documents everything with his supervisor situation in case he needs to file later.

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Another thing - if you're receiving other types of compensation like workers comp or severance pay, that can affect your eligibility too. You have to report all income and compensation when you file your weekly claims.

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He's not getting any other compensation, just his regular paycheck right now.

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That's good. Just remember that even vacation payouts or final paychecks need to be reported correctly.

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The system is so confusing though. I've been trying to understand all these rules and it seems like they can disqualify you for almost anything. Makes me nervous to even apply when I need benefits.

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The rules are there to prevent abuse, but if you're legitimately unemployed through no fault of your own, you should be fine. Don't let fear stop you from applying if you need benefits.

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I guess you're right. I just hear so many horror stories about people getting denied for weird reasons.

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Immigration status is another factor. You have to be authorized to work in the US to receive unemployment benefits. Washington ESD verifies this through various databases.

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My brother is a US citizen so that's not an issue either.

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Perfect. Sounds like he's in good shape as long as he handles the supervisor situation carefully.

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From what I understand, the biggest thing is making sure you don't quit without good cause. If the supervisor is creating a hostile work environment or making unreasonable demands, that could qualify as good cause. But he'd need to document everything and potentially try to resolve it through HR first.

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What kind of documentation would he need?

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Emails, written complaints to HR, witness statements, anything that shows the pattern of behavior and his attempts to resolve it through proper channels.

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Exactly. Washington ESD wants to see that you made reasonable efforts to address the problem before quitting.

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I wish I had known about some of these rules before I got disqualified. The appeals process is a nightmare and trying to reach Washington ESD by phone is impossible. Spent literally weeks trying to get through.

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That's exactly why I mentioned Claimyr earlier. Their service saved me so much time and frustration when I was dealing with my disqualification appeal.

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I might have to look into that if I ever have to deal with Washington ESD again. The regular phone system is completely broken.

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just tell your brother to be smart about it. if he has to quit make sure he has documentation of good cause. if he gets fired make sure its not for misconduct. and always be honest on the application

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Yeah, honesty is definitely the best policy. I'll make sure he knows to document everything.

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smart move. better to have too much documentation than not enough

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Don't forget about the drug testing requirements too. If you're fired for failing a drug test or refuse to take one when required, that's usually disqualifying misconduct.

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His job doesn't do drug testing but good to know for the future.

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Even if they don't test regularly, some employers will test after accidents or incidents. Just something to keep in mind.

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The whole system seems designed to deny benefits rather than help people. I know someone who got disqualified because they missed one job search requirement due to being in the hospital. Took months to get it overturned.

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There are provisions for medical emergencies, but you have to report them promptly and provide documentation. The system isn't perfect but there are protections for legitimate situations.

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Maybe, but the burden of proof always seems to be on the claimant even when circumstances are clearly beyond their control.

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Bottom line - don't quit without good cause, don't get fired for misconduct, be available for work, do your job searches, and be honest about everything. If you follow those rules you should be fine.

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That's a good summary. I'll make sure my brother understands all of this before he makes any decisions about his job situation.

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Smart to help him think it through ahead of time. Too many people act first and worry about the consequences later.

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Just want to add that even if you do get disqualified, it's not necessarily permanent. You can appeal and sometimes win, or you might be able to requalify after working again for a certain period.

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This is true. My disqualification was eventually overturned through the appeal process, but it took way longer than it should have.

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The appeals can be worth it if you have a valid case, but definitely get help if you need it. The process is complicated.

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Your brother should also know that Washington ESD sometimes does random audits of claims. They might ask for additional documentation even months after you're approved, so keep everything organized.

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Good point. I'll tell him to keep copies of everything if he does end up filing a claim.

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Exactly. Pay stubs, separation notices, job search logs, all of it. Better safe than sorry.

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I had to use that Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier when I was dealing with a wrongful disqualification. Took me 4 months of trying to reach Washington ESD on my own before I found them. Got connected to an agent the same day I tried their service.

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Seems like a lot of people have had success with that service. Good to know there are options when the regular system doesn't work.

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Definitely. The regular phone system is basically unusable, especially when you're dealing with complex issues like disqualifications.

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thanks for asking this question - i learned a lot from the responses. my situation is similar and now i know what to watch out for

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Glad it helped! I learned a lot too. Hopefully neither of us will need to use this information but it's good to know just in case.

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Knowledge is power when it comes to unemployment benefits. The more you understand the rules, the better you can protect yourself.

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The most important thing is that your brother documents everything and doesn't make any rash decisions. If he's thinking about quitting, he should consult with someone who knows the unemployment rules first. Maybe even talk to an employment attorney if the situation is really bad.

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That's good advice. I'll definitely tell him to think things through carefully and get help if he needs it. Thanks everyone for all the helpful information!

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You're welcome. Hope things work out well for your brother whatever he decides to do.

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