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I just went through this same confusion a few months ago when I first filed! You definitely don't need your employer's unemployment tax number (UBI number) for your personal claim - that's strictly for employers when they file their quarterly reports with the state. It sounds like you might have accidentally ended up on the employer portal section of the Washington ESD website, which happens to a lot of people since the navigation isn't great. For a regular unemployment claim, you only need your SSN, basic employer info (name, address), and your work history. Just make sure you're on the right page by going directly to esd.wa.gov and clicking "File for Unemployment Benefits" - that'll take you to the actual claimant application where you won't see any requests for employer tax numbers.
This is so helpful, thank you! I was definitely on the wrong page - I kept seeing all these employer-related fields and getting confused. It's good to know that Washington ESD can handle all the backend matching themselves once I provide the basic employer info. The website really could use better navigation to prevent people from ending up in the wrong section. I'll bookmark the correct claimant page once I find it so I don't make this mistake again!
I had this exact same issue when I first filed for unemployment! The "unemployment tax number" they're asking for is actually your employer's UBI (Unified Business Identifier) number, which is something only employers need to know for their quarterly tax filings with Washington State. As a regular employee, you would never have access to this number, and you don't need it for your personal unemployment claim. It sounds like you accidentally ended up on the employer section of the Washington ESD website instead of the regular claimant application - this happens to tons of people because their website navigation is confusing and the pages look really similar. Just go back to esd.wa.gov and look for "File for Unemployment Benefits" to get to the correct claimant form. You'll only need your SSN, basic employer info (business name and address), and your work history. Washington ESD can look up all the employer tax information on their end once you provide those basic details.
This is super helpful! I was definitely stuck on the wrong page for way too long. It's such a relief to know I don't need to track down employer tax numbers - I was starting to worry there was something wrong with my employment situation. The Washington ESD website really needs to make it clearer which section is for employees vs employers. Thanks for the detailed explanation!
This has been really educational. I had no idea the unemployment system was so complex. Seems like there are a lot of ways to accidentally disqualify yourself if you don't know the rules.
Thanks everyone for all the detailed info! This thread has been incredibly helpful. I had no idea about the base period calculation or that quitting voluntarily would disqualify me. Definitely going to use that benefit calculator on the ESD website to see where I stand, and I'll make sure to have a solid plan before making any job changes. Really appreciate this community sharing their experiences - saved me from potentially making a costly mistake!
Glad this thread was helpful for you too! I'm in a similar situation and this conversation really opened my eyes to how complicated the whole system is. It's crazy how many details you need to know just to avoid accidentally disqualifying yourself. The community here definitely knows their stuff when it comes to navigating Washington ESD. Good luck with whatever you decide to do with your job situation!
Another quick tip that worked for me - if you have direct deposit set up with your employer, check your bank statements from when you started the job. Sometimes banks include the employer's EIN or tax ID in the initial direct deposit setup paperwork or in the transaction details when they verify the employer. I found this out by accident when I was looking through old bank documents for something else. It's not guaranteed to be there, but worth checking if you have access to your banking records from when you first got hired.
That's such a creative approach! I never would have thought to check bank records for employer tax information. It's incredible how many different places this FEIN number can show up - from W-2s and pay stubs to online payroll portals and now even bank statements. This whole thread has been like a masterclass in detective work for finding employer information when they won't cooperate. Really appreciate everyone sharing these alternative methods!
Wow, that's incredibly resourceful! I wouldn't have thought to check bank records either. It's amazing how thorough this community is - between checking W-2s, pay stubs, online payroll systems, business databases, and now bank statements, we've covered pretty much every possible source. This thread should be bookmarked as a reference guide for anyone dealing with uncooperative employers during unemployment claims. Thanks for adding yet another useful option to the list!
One more place to check that saved me recently - if you ever filled out any tax documents like a W-4 when you started your job, sometimes HR departments include the company's FEIN on those forms or in the new employee paperwork packet. I found mine in an old folder with my hiring documents that I had completely forgotten about. Also, if your company had you sign up for benefits like health insurance or 401k, those enrollment forms sometimes have the employer tax ID listed as well. It's worth digging through any employment-related paperwork you might have saved from when you first got hired.
I just want to echo what everyone else has said - don't panic! I was in almost the exact same situation about 8 months ago. Got disqualified for "misconduct" after what I felt was a completely unfair termination. The disqualification notice is intentionally scary and confusing, but it's not the end of the world. Here's what helped me: First, I appealed within the 30-day window (this is critical - don't miss that deadline). Second, I gathered every piece of documentation I could find - text messages, emails, witness contact info, company policies, everything. Third, I kept filing my weekly claims religiously even though I wasn't getting paid - this saved me when I eventually won my appeal and got 12 weeks of back pay. The hearing itself was actually pretty fair - the judge let me tell my whole story and really listened. Your case about defending yourself from an abusive customer sounds like it has real merit. Customer service workers have rights too, and employers can't just label any response to harassment as "misconduct." Fight this - you've got more support and options than you realize right now.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience! It's really encouraging to hear from someone who went through something so similar and came out on top. The part about getting 12 weeks of back pay gives me hope - I was worried that even if I won the appeal, I'd still be out all that money. I've already started gathering documentation like you suggested, and I'm definitely not going to miss that 30-day deadline. Your point about customer service workers having rights really resonates with me. I felt so helpless when this happened, like I was supposed to just take abuse from customers no matter what. Did you have a lawyer for your hearing or represent yourself?
I represented myself at the hearing and it went fine! The administrative law judge was actually really professional and made sure I had plenty of time to explain my side. You don't need a lawyer for these unemployment appeals - the process is designed for regular people to navigate on their own. Just be prepared, organized, and stick to the facts. What really helped me was writing out a timeline of events beforehand so I didn't forget any important details during the hearing. Also, if you have any coworkers who witnessed the incident with the customer, try to get their contact info now before you lose touch. Even if they can't testify at the hearing, having their written statements can be really valuable evidence.
I'm so sorry you're going through this - getting a disqualification notice is absolutely terrifying and the language they use makes it sound so final. I went through something similar last year when I got fired from my customer service job for what my manager called "insubordination" - really I was just trying to follow company policy when she wanted me to break it. The disqualification notice made me panic for weeks before I realized I had options. Here's what I wish someone had told me right away: this is likely a temporary penalty, not a permanent ban. Most misconduct disqualifications in Washington are 7-10 weeks of forfeited benefits, then you can collect again if still unemployed. But definitely appeal this - defending yourself from an abusive customer is NOT misconduct under Washington law. Customer service workers have the right to protect themselves from harassment and abuse. Keep filing your weekly claims during the appeal process even though you won't get paid right now - if you win, you'll get all that back pay. I know it feels hopeless but you have real options here. Document everything you remember about the incident while it's still fresh, and don't let your employer's version be the only one the state hears.
Thank you for sharing your experience - it really helps to hear from someone who's been through this exact situation! I've been so stressed thinking this disqualification was permanent, but hearing it's likely just 7-10 weeks makes it feel much more manageable. Your point about documenting everything while it's fresh is spot on - I've been writing down every detail I can remember about what the customer said and did, and exactly how I responded. It's actually helping me feel more confident that I was justified in defending myself. I'm definitely going to appeal and keep filing those weekly claims. Did your appeal hearing happen over the phone or in person? I'm nervous about having to explain everything to a judge.
Mine was over the phone, which was actually less intimidating than I expected! The administrative law judge was really professional and patient - they let me tell my whole story without interrupting and asked clarifying questions that actually helped me explain things better. Don't worry about it being a "judge" - it's more like talking to someone who genuinely wants to understand what happened. They deal with these customer service situations all the time and they know the difference between actual misconduct and employees just trying to protect themselves. The hearing took about 45 minutes total, and I felt like I really got a fair chance to present my case. Just have your timeline written out beforehand and any documentation organized, and you'll do great!
Justin Chang
Great to see this got resolved! As someone who also works overnight shifts, I can confirm this is exactly how it works. The midnight split rule seems confusing at first but it actually makes sense once you understand that ESD weeks run Sunday-Saturday. For anyone else dealing with this - keep detailed records of your actual work hours by day, not just by shift. It makes filing claims much easier and helps avoid these kinds of mix-ups. The key thing to remember is always report what you've ACTUALLY worked, not what you're scheduled to work.
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Zara Mirza
•This is really helpful advice! I'm new to filing unemployment claims and work a similar overnight schedule. The "midnight split rule" makes so much more sense now that you explained it in terms of the Sunday-Saturday claim week. I've been stressing about getting this wrong, but it sounds like as long as I keep good records and report actual hours worked (not scheduled), I should be okay. Thanks for breaking it down so clearly!
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GalaxyGazer
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation working graveyard shifts at a warehouse (10pm-6am) and I've been so confused about the reporting requirements. The midnight split rule explanation really clarifies things - I had no idea that ESD weeks run Sunday-Saturday and that you have to divide overnight hours at midnight. I've probably been reporting incorrectly for the past month by just putting down my full 8-hour shifts based on when they started. Looks like I need to call ESD to fix my previous claims before it becomes a bigger problem. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - it's reassuring to know this is a common issue and that ESD agents are understanding when you explain the situation honestly.
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