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WEP repeal impact: Should I go back to non-SS teaching job or work somewhere with SS taxes to maximize benefits?

I'm in a weird spot with Social Security after the WEP repeal and need some guidance on maximizing my benefits. My work history is split between SS and non-SS employment. I worked enough in SS-covered jobs when I was younger to earn the required credits. Then I taught for many years in a district that didn't pay into Social Security (fell under Windfall Elimination Provision). I retired at 61 with a defined benefit pension of about $3,750/month. For the past few years, I've been working part-time making around $25,000 annually in a job that DOES pay into SS while collecting my pension. With the WEP repeal, I'll now be eligible for my full SS benefit instead of the reduced amount! But here's my dilemma - I have two potential opportunities: 1. Return to full-time teaching that DOESN'T pay into SS for 3 years. I'd "double-dip" (get pension + salary) without my pension being recalculated. Salary would be about $62,000. 2. Teach full-time for 3 years in a district that DOES pay into SS. Salary around $69,000, which would boost my future SS benefit. According to my calculations, my SS benefit at 65 would be about $713/month if I keep my part-time job. If I work full-time in an SS-covered position for 3 years, it might increase to around $1,001/month. Financially, I'm comfortable - no debt and almost $750,000 in savings (money market/CDs/IRAs). I enjoy semi-retirement but don't mind working a few more years if it makes financial sense long-term. Am I missing anything important in my decision-making process? Which option would you recommend?

One more important consideration: Remember that Social Security benefits are calculated based on your highest 35 years of indexed earnings. If you don't have 35 years of SS-covered employment, the formula fills in zeros for the missing years. If you work 3 more years in SS-covered employment at $69,000, you'd be replacing 3 zeros (or very low earning years) in your calculation. That's why you're seeing such a significant jump in your estimated benefit (from $713 to $1,001). Have you requested your Social Security earnings record? That would show exactly which years would be replaced and might help with your decision. You can view this online if you have a mySocialSecurity account.

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I do have a mySocialSecurity account but haven't looked at my detailed earnings record recently. I'll definitely check which years would be replaced by the potential new earnings. I'm pretty sure I have several zeros in my calculation since I spent over 20 years in non-SS teaching positions.

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You're overthinking this way too much. If you don't need the money, do what makes you HAPPY. Period. End of story. No more analysis needed!

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When you put it that way, it sounds so simple! I'm definitely prone to overanalyzing. Maybe I need to step back and ask myself what I truly want from the next few years rather than just looking at the numbers.

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my mom got confused about this too ended up leaving like $20k on the table over the yrs cause nobody explaind it right

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OK, now I think I understand all this correctly. To summarize: 1. I'll get my own benefit ($1,400) plus a top-off to reach half of my husband's FRA benefit ($1,600 total). 2. The $1,911 figure is irrelevant to my situation. 3. My husband must file for his benefits before I can claim any spousal benefits. 4. If I claim before my FRA, both parts of my benefit get reduced. 5. The spousal benefit is based on my husband's FRA amount, not his actual payment if he delays. Did I get all this right? I feel so much more prepared for my SSA appointment now!

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You've got it exactly right! Print out this summary and take it to your appointment. One last tip: when you do apply, specifically mention that you're applying for "all benefits you're eligible for" including retirement and spousal benefits. Sometimes if you don't explicitly mention both, they might not process the spousal portion right away, which can delay your full payment.

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Social Security retirement payments held after working too much - will I get January or September 2025 payment?

I'm completely confused about when I'll actually start receiving my Social Security retirement benefits. I applied in June (3 months before turning 62 in September) and got approved. But since I was still working and earning above the limit, I understood I wouldn't get payments for 2024. Here's where I'm confused - the CSR initially told me payments would start January 2025, and I'm almost positive I received a letter stating that. But today I checked online (I'm supposed to get paid tomorrow based on my birthday) and it says my benefits are suspended because I worked. Called SS and waited 45 minutes only to have the rep tell me they pay at the end of the year. The CSR and I did the math together and agreed I should get 3 months worth of SS in 2025. That's fine, but WHEN exactly? January or September? From the SSA website, I found this example that seems close to my situation: "For example, a person retires at age 62 on October 30, 2025. They will earn $45,000 through October and take a part-time job beginning in November, earning $500 per month. Although their earnings for the year substantially exceed the 2025 annual limit ($23,400), they will receive a Social Security payment for November and December." In 2025, I'll earn about $4,000 total, well under the limit. Do my benefits restart automatically in January or do I have to wait until September? I never get straight answers when I call SSA!

have u checked ur my social security acct online? sometimes it shows pending payments there before they even tell u. might give u a clue if somethings gonna hit in january

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Good idea! I just checked but it still shows as suspended. Maybe it'll update closer to January? I'll keep an eye on it.

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To summarize what should happen in your case: 1. Benefits should automatically resume in January 2025 2. No action needed from you if SSA has your correct 2025 earnings estimate 3. First payment should arrive based on your birth date schedule in January 4. You'll receive your full monthly benefit amount since your 2025 earnings are well below the limit If January comes and you don't receive payment, then you should contact SSA immediately to ensure they have the correct earnings information for 2025. For peace of mind, you could call once more in December to verify everything is set up correctly for January payment resumption.

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Thank you so much for this clear summary! I think I'll call in December just to make sure everything is on track. It's reassuring to know the system should automatically restart payments in January as long as they have my correct 2025 earnings estimate.

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ANYONE else notice how IMPOSSIBLE it is to get correct information from SSA these days?!?! I swear every rep tells you something different! My neighbor filed last year and got told THREE different things about how her pension would affect her SS benefit! The whole system is a mess!!

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The WEP and GPO rules regarding pensions are exceptionally complicated, so I'm not surprised your neighbor got inconsistent information. Those provisions (Windfall Elimination Provision and Government Pension Offset) have very complex calculations that many SSA representatives struggle with. Always best to get information in writing or speak with a technical expert at SSA for those situations.

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to answer that other persons question YES u can wait to take survivor benefits even if already getting ur own. my sister was getting her own SS when her husband died last year and the SS person told her she could wait til her FRA to switch to survivors to get the full amount. shes 63 now and waiting til 67 to switch

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That's correct. This is one of the few remaining planning opportunities after the 2015 law changes. You can choose when to take survivor benefits independent of your retirement benefits. So in the original poster's case, she could take reduced retirement benefits now, and if her husband passed away, she could either: 1. Switch to survivor benefits immediately (at a reduction if before FRA) 2. Wait until FRA to switch to full survivor benefits The best choice depends on the benefit amounts and her financial needs at that time.

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The WHOLE system is designed to make us fail!!! I filed for my own retirement at 62 and got a PATHETIC amount because I took time off to raise kids. Meanwhile my ex will get FULL benefits even though I supported HIM through graduate school!! The system is COMPLETELY unfair to women, especially those of us who divorced before our spouses hit their peak earning years!!!

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While I understand your frustration, there are some provisions that help in situations like yours. If you were married 10+ years, you can claim spousal benefits on your ex's record (up to 50% of their benefit) if that would be higher than your own benefit, even if you're divorced. This specifically helps people who had lower earnings due to family caregiving. You can contact SSA to see if you might qualify for a higher benefit amount through this provision.

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My neighbor was in kinda the same boat and she ended up just focusing on building her own retirement instead. Probably better in the long run anyway.

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You're right - that's what I'll need to do. I've got a good job now and have been contributing to my 401k, so I'll just keep focusing on that. It was worth asking though!

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