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Will my sister's survivor benefits be based on her husband's SSDI amount or his FRA retirement amount?

My sister just found out her husband (59) has been diagnosed with a rare aggressive cancer with a 2-3 year prognosis. He's applying for expedited SSDI through the Compassionate Allowance program, and based on his earnings record, his disability payment will be about $3,180 monthly - roughly $125 more than what his full retirement benefit would have been. My question is about what happens later with survivor benefits. When my sister eventually applies for survivor benefits (she plans to wait until her FRA), will her payment be based on what he was actually receiving from SSDI or what his retirement benefit would have been? I've gotten conflicting information from friends about whether being on disability affects survivor benefit calculations. He'll likely pass away at least 6-7 years before she reaches her full retirement age. Any insights from those who've been through this would be so appreciated.

Rachel Clark

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I'm sorry about your sister's husband. To answer your question directly: survivor benefits are based on what the deceased was actually receiving at death. If he's receiving SSDI when he passes, then your sister's survivor benefit would be based on that higher amount. The one exception would be if he took early retirement benefits (which doesn't apply here since he's on SSDI). Also important to note that there's a potential one-time death benefit of $255 she should apply for shortly after his passing. Make sure she contacts SSA promptly when the time comes.

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Chris King

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Thank you so much for this clear explanation. That's a relief to hear it would be based on the higher SSDI amount. I'll definitely remind her about the death benefit when the time comes, though it seems so small compared to everything else they'll be dealing with.

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Zachary Hughes

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ur sister should get a FREE consultation with a benefits specialist ASAP! my cousin thought the same thing but ended up getting way less than expected because there were other factors. every case is different!!!

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Chris King

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Thanks for the suggestion. Do you have any recommendations on how to find a good benefits specialist? I'm not sure where she should start looking.

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Zachary Hughes

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the SSA website has a list somewhere or just google SS benefits specialist in her area. just tell her DONT pay anything upfront!

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Mia Alvarez

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I went through this when my husband passed from ALS. The survivor benefit IS based on the higher amount he was receiving from SSDI, BUT they also do this weird recalculation based on his earnings and when he became disabled. In our case, it actually ended up HIGHER than what he was receiving! But Social Security never explained this to me initially - I had to make multiple calls and got different answers each time. The whole system is incredibly frustrating when you're also dealing with grief. One tip: have your sister gather ALL his work history and earnings records NOW while he can help verify everything. This will save so much heartache later.

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Carter Holmes

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Same thing happened with my mom when dad died. She got like 5 different answers from SSA before finally getting it sorted out. Took almost 8 months to get the right payment!

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Mia Alvarez

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@8 It's absolutely maddening! I was on hold for HOURS, transferred multiple times, and then told completely different things by different agents. How can they expect grieving spouses to navigate this???

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Sophia Long

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After dealing with SSA for my mom's survivor benefits, I found a service called Claimyr that lets you skip the phone wait times. You can check them out at claimyr.com - they helped me get through to an actual SSA agent in under 10 minutes instead of waiting for hours. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU For your sister's specific question, she should definitely speak directly with SSA about her unique situation. The rules are complicated and situation-dependent, especially with the disability-to-survivor transition. Having direct conversations with multiple agents helped us get the correct information.

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Chris King

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Thanks for this suggestion. My sister tried calling SSA yesterday and gave up after being on hold for over an hour. I'll definitely share this with her - anything to make this process less painful is appreciated.

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Angelica Smith

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My condolences to your sister. Make sure she understands she can't just assume SSA will automatically convert his benefits to survivor benefits when he passes. She needs to APPLY specifically for survivor benefits by calling SSA. And definitely tell her to wait until FRA to maximize the benefit amount unless she absolutely needs the money sooner.

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Chris King

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That's really good to know - I think she assumed it would happen automatically. I'll make sure she understands she needs to apply separately.

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Logan Greenburg

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Sorry you're family is going through this difficult time. There's a lot of misinformation here, so let me clarify a few important points about survivor benefits in this situation: 1. For survivor benefits, SSA will pay the higher of: (a) what the deceased was actually receiving, (b) 82.5% of the deceased's PIA if he died before FRA, or (c) 100% of a specially calculated PIA that factors in the disability onset. 2. Since your brother-in-law is receiving SSDI (not early retirement), and his SSDI amount is higher than his PIA would have been, your sister's survivor benefit will be based on that higher SSDI amount. 3. The 5-month waiting period for SSDI and 2-year Medicare waiting period are waived for many Compassionate Allowance conditions. 4. If possible, he should check if he qualifies for SSI during the SSDI waiting period. 5. Regarding the special recalculation mentioned by another poster - this is called the "Alternative Method" or "Indexing Year" calculation and can sometimes result in a higher benefit. I'd recommend your sister make an appointment with SSA to discuss survivor planning specifically. These conversations are difficult but important.

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Chris King

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Thank you so much for this detailed explanation. I'll pass this information along to my sister. I had no idea about the alternative calculation method - that's definitely something she should ask about. We appreciate the clear facts!

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Mia Alvarez

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This is exactly the calculation they did for my husband's case! They called it the "Alternative Method" just like you said. It ended up giving me almost $340 more per month than I expected. Definitely worth asking about specifically because the first agent I talked to never mentioned it.

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Carter Holmes

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wait is she gonna apply for her own retirement or just the survivor? cuz if she has her own work record might be better to take one early and let the other one grow. my aunt did this and gets way more $$$

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Chris King

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That's a great point I hadn't considered. She has worked most of her life, but I'm not sure how her own benefit would compare. I'll suggest she look into this strategy as well.

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Logan Greenburg

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Good point about the two-benefit strategy. Since the 2015 law changes, your sister can either: 1) take her own reduced retirement benefit early and then switch to full survivor benefits at her FRA, or 2) take reduced survivor benefits early and then switch to her own unreduced retirement benefit at her FRA (if higher). Which option is best depends entirely on the relative benefit amounts. She should definitely get a benefits calculation for both scenarios.

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Zachary Hughes

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MAKE SURE he applies for all the benefits!!! My uncle had cancer and got denied disability at first because he didn't fill out all the forms right. They make it SO COMPLICATED on purpose i swear.

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Chris King

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Yes, we're helping him gather all the medical documentation now. His oncologist is very supportive and said they'll provide everything needed for the Compassionate Allowance designation. It's overwhelming how much paperwork is involved even with expedited processing.

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Mia Alvarez

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One other thing your sister should know - the survivor benefit is 100% of what he was receiving ONLY if she waits until her FRA. If she takes it early (even a month early), it's permanently reduced. The reduction can be as much as 28.5% if taken at age 60. And don't forget to ask about disabled widow benefits if she's disabled herself - different rules apply. The emotional toll of all this paperwork and decisions while grieving is just awful. Please encourage her to get everything in order now while he can help. Maybe even set up a specific file with all the documents she'll need later.

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Chris King

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She's definitely planning to wait until her FRA. And thanks for the suggestion about getting everything organized now - we'll work on creating a file with all the important documents and information. I'm trying to help carry some of this burden for her so she can focus on spending time with him.

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Rachel Clark

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Something important that hasn't been mentioned yet: She should ask about her husband establishing a "protective filing date" for his SSDI application as soon as possible, even before they have all documentation ready. This preserves an earlier entitlement date, which could affect backpay and Medicare eligibility. And when the time comes for her survivor benefits, she should specifically mention the "LSDP" (Lump Sum Death Payment) - it's only $255 but many people don't know to ask for it. Also, she should inquire about her eligibility for disabled widow's benefits if she has any disability herself, as different rules apply. Finally, I'd suggest both of them look into setting up my.ssa.gov accounts now if they haven't already.

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Chris King

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Thank you for the suggestion about establishing a protective filing date. I'll make sure he does that right away. And they both do have my.ssa.gov accounts already, which has been helpful for checking his earnings record.

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