Will my Social Security survivor benefits be based on my husband's SSDI or his early retirement amount?
My world has been turned upside down this month. My husband (65) was just diagnosed with terminal lung cancer and doctors say he has maybe 6-8 months. In the middle of all this awfulness, his SSDI application was just approved yesterday after a 5-month wait. I'm trying to make sense of our financial future while he's still able to help me understand everything. His SSDI payment will be about $2,700/month, which is pretty close to what his full retirement benefit would be at 67. If he had taken early retirement instead at 65, it would've been around $2,150/month (about $550 less than his disability). I'm 63 and was primarily a stay-at-home mom, so my own benefit would be tiny - definitely taking spousal/survivor benefits. What I can't figure out is: when he passes away, will my survivor benefits be based on his SSDI amount or will SSA recalculate it based on early retirement as if he had taken benefits at 65? I know survivor benefits vary based on my age when I claim them, but I'm confused about which starting amount SSA will use to calculate from. This makes a huge difference for my long-term financial planning. Has anyone dealt with this situation before?
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Yuki Sato
First, I'm very sorry about your husband's diagnosis. I've been through something similar with my wife. To answer your question directly: Your survivor benefits will be based on your husband's SSDI amount, not a reduced early retirement benefit. When SSDI converts to retirement benefits at full retirement age, it does so without reduction, and survivor benefits are based on that full amount (subject to adjustments based on when you claim them). Your survivor benefit will be reduced if you claim before your own full retirement age (which would be 66 and some months depending on your birth year). If you wait until your FRA to claim, you'd receive 100% of his benefit amount. One thing to consider - if you're going to need income right away after his passing, you could potentially claim your own small retirement benefit early, then switch to the higher survivor benefit later. This sometimes works out better financially.
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StarStrider
•Thank you so much for your kindness and the clear explanation. That's a huge relief to know his SSDI amount will be the base for my survivor benefits. I was afraid they might try to use some kind of theoretical early retirement amount instead. My FRA is 66 and 8 months. I might need to claim survivor benefits before then, but at least now I understand what the base amount will be. Would waiting until my FRA to claim survivor benefits have any additional advantages beyond getting the full 100%?
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Carmen Ruiz
so sorry 4 ur situation... my husband passed from cancer 2 yrs ago and i had similar question. the SSA rep told me survivor benefits go off what they were paying him when he died not what he might have got. if he was on SSDI thats the amount they use. but ur own age when u take it def matters!!!
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StarStrider
•Thank you for sharing your experience. I'm sorry for your loss. It helps to hear from someone who's actually been through this with SSA. Did you take your survivor benefits right away or did you wait?
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Carmen Ruiz
•i waited til i was 65 (im 67 now). honestly wish i waited to full retirement age cuz i get about 92% of what he got. every month adds up over time ya know. but sometimes u just need the money when u need it
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Andre Lefebvre
I worked at SSA for 26 years before retiring last year, so I can provide some accurate information here. Your survivor benefit will be based on your husband's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) which is essentially the amount he would receive at his full retirement age. Since he's receiving SSDI, that's already calculated at his full PIA without reduction. You have flexibility in when to claim. If you claim survivor benefits at your full retirement age (66+8 months), you'll receive 100% of his PIA. If you claim earlier, it will be reduced based on a scale: - At age 60: 71.5% of his PIA - Each month you wait after 60 increases the percentage - At your FRA: 100% of his PIA Important consideration: If your husband passes away before reaching his FRA, you may be eligible for a one-time $255 death benefit and potentially immediate survivor benefits if you're caring for dependent children under 16. I'd recommend scheduling an appointment with SSA to discuss your specific situation and options. Unfortunately, their phone lines are usually jammed.
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StarStrider
•Thank you so much for this detailed information. It really helps to hear from someone with SSA experience. I'll definitely need to talk with them directly about my options, but I've tried calling multiple times and can never get through - either busy signals or disconnected after waiting on hold forever. Is there a better way to get an appointment?
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Zoe Alexopoulos
•I had the same problem trying to reach SSA about my widow's benefits last year. After 8 failed attempts, I used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to a real person at SSA in about 20 minutes instead of struggling for days. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU It was well worth it because I needed to understand some complicated survivor benefit rules that weren't clear from the website. The SSA representative was actually really helpful once I finally got through to someone.
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Jamal Anderson
Didn't the rules change a few years ago? I thought survivor benefits were different now with that new law they passed. My neighbor said something about them changing how they calculate everything now.
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Andre Lefebvre
•You're thinking of the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015 which eliminated some claiming strategies like "file and suspend" and restricted the ability to file for spousal benefits while delaying your own retirement benefits. However, the basic rules for survivor benefits have remained the same. They're still based on the deceased spouse's PIA, with reductions if taken before FRA. Survivor benefits are different from spousal benefits and weren't affected by those rule changes in the same way.
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Mei Wong
My heart goes out to you and your husband. I was in almost the exact situation 3 years ago. One CRITICAL thing no one has mentioned: if your husband passes away, do NOT just assume SSA will automatically switch you to survivor benefits! They won't!! You MUST apply for survivor benefits within 30 days after his passing or you could lose payments. Also, start gathering documents now: marriage certificate, his birth certificate, death certificate (when the time comes), and your own birth certificate. Having these ready saved me weeks of stress. And yes, his SSDI amount becomes the basis for your survivor benefits. I receive 92.5% of my late husband's SSDI amount because I claimed at 65. If I'd waited 1.5 more years to my FRA, I'd get 100%. BUT - don't forget about potential Medicare premium increases if your income appears higher after combining households on taxes. The IRMAA surcharge hit me hard the first year after my husband's passing.
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StarStrider
•Thank you so much for this practical advice. I had no idea I'd need to apply separately for survivor benefits! I definitely would have assumed it would switch automatically. I'll start gathering all those documents now. And thanks for the warning about IRMAA - I hadn't even thought about that aspect. I appreciate you sharing your experience during such a difficult time in your life.
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QuantumQuasar
THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO CONFUSE US!!! I spent 9 MONTHS trying to get my survivor benefits straightened out after my husband died. They kept sending me letters with different amounts, then they said I owed them money, then they said THEY owed ME money!!! Don't trust what ANY of them tell you on the phone - GET IT IN WRITING!!! And keep COPIES OF EVERYTHING they send you. I had to go to my congressman's office to finally get it resolved because the SSA people kept giving me wrong information. And they use these complicated formulas nobody understands to calculate everything. One rep told me one thing, another told me something completely different. It's their way of cheating us out of what we deserve after paying into the system our whole lives!!!
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StarStrider
•I'm sorry you had such a terrible experience. That sounds incredibly frustrating. Thanks for the advice about getting everything in writing and keeping copies - I'll definitely do that.
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Andre Lefebvre
•While I understand your frustration, I want to clarify that there's no conspiracy to deny benefits. The SSA has complex rules, and yes, sometimes representatives make mistakes. The formulas are complicated but they're not secret - they're defined by legislation and available on SSA.gov. The best approach is to document everything, ask representatives to notate your account with the information they provide, and if you get contradictory information, ask to speak with a Technical Expert or Supervisor who has more in-depth training.
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Carmen Ruiz
has anyone heard if they're changing the survivor rules with that new funding bill? my cousin said they might be cutting benefits again
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Mei Wong
•There's no legislation currently being considered that would reduce survivor benefits. What your cousin might be referring to are the periodic discussions about Social Security's long-term funding, but any proposed changes typically wouldn't affect current or near-term beneficiaries. It's always good to stay informed, but be cautious about rumors. The official SSA website or AARP usually have reliable information about proposed changes to benefits.
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StarStrider
I want to thank everyone for their helpful responses. This has clarified so much for me during a really difficult time. I'm going to try to get through to SSA to discuss my specific situation, and I'll make sure to gather all those documents mentioned. It's a relief to know that my survivor benefits will be based on his SSDI amount rather than an early retirement calculation. At least that's one less thing to worry about while we focus on making the most of our remaining time together.
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Yuki Sato
•Wishing you and your husband peace and comfort during this difficult time. Please come back if you have any other questions as you navigate this process.
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