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wait i'm confused... doesnt the earnings limit go away at 62? or is it 67? my brother is dealing with this too
The earnings limit applies until you reach your full retirement age (FRA), which is between 66-67 depending on your birth year. At that point, you can earn any amount without reduction in benefits. There's no special rule at 62 - that's just the earliest age you can claim regular retirement benefits.
I'm sorry for your loss, and I understand how confusing this whole situation can be. You're actually doing everything right! The key thing to remember is that even though your survivor benefit is reduced because you claimed at 60, you still have the flexibility to switch to your own retirement benefit later if it's higher. Since you're planning to wait until 70 for your own benefit, you'll get those delayed retirement credits that can make your own benefit significantly higher than the survivor benefit. The months where you don't receive survivor payments due to working aren't "lost" - you're still building up your own Social Security record during that time. One tip: keep track of your earnings each year and maybe consider using the SSA website to estimate what your benefit will be at 70. That way you can plan ahead and know for sure which benefit will be better when the time comes to switch.
Thanks everyone for the advice! After weighing all options, I think I'm going to: 1. Use that Claimyr service to actually speak with someone at SSA about my specific situation 2. File for SS retirement now to cover the gap when my NJ disability ends 3. Accept that there will be a permanent reduction, but it's better than draining my 401k 4. When I return to work, let them withhold benefits as needed based on my earnings The clarification about how they adjust the benefit at FRA for withheld months was really helpful. Still not ideal, but seems like the best option in my situation. I'll also check with my employer about whether long-term disability might kick in after my short-term benefits end, and look into the unemployment suggestion too. Every bit helps during recovery!
That sounds like a solid plan! You've clearly done your homework on this. One additional thing to consider - make sure to keep detailed records of your medical appointments and recovery progress. If your recovery takes longer than expected and you end up needing to apply for SSDI after all, having that documentation will be crucial for your case. Also, when you do speak with the SSA representative through Claimyr, ask them about the "do-over" rule (withdrawal of application). You have 12 months from when you first receive benefits to completely withdraw your application and pay back what you received, essentially getting a fresh start. It's rarely worth it financially, but good to know it exists as an option if your situation changes dramatically. Best of luck with your recovery! Taking care of your health is the most important thing right now.
Thank you all for the helpful explanations! I feel much better now understanding that my benefits won't be affected regardless of what my ex tries to do. And it sounds like because of the GPO, he probably wouldn't qualify for anything on my record anyway with his pension being so substantial. I appreciate everyone taking the time to explain all the technical details - Social Security rules are so complicated!
Glad we could help clarify things! Just remember that if your circumstances change (like if you're considering remarriage), it's always good to check how that might affect various Social Security benefits. And when you're ready to file for your own retirement benefits, be sure to create a my Social Security account online if you haven't already - it's the easiest way to track everything.
Just wanted to add one more thing that might be helpful - even though your ex probably won't qualify for benefits on your record due to GPO, he could still potentially file an application just to get an official determination from SSA. Sometimes people are surprised by the exact calculations, especially if their pension amount changes or if there are other factors involved. The worst case scenario is he gets a formal denial letter, but at least then he'd have definitive answers rather than assumptions. That said, based on what you've described with his $4,800 monthly pension, the math definitely suggests GPO would eliminate any potential benefit.
Thank you all for the helpful responses! I've taken notes on everything. I'm going to help my husband apply for retirement benefits about 3 months before his birthday in June, and I'll specifically ask about spousal benefits too. I'll also double-check about the Medicare continuation - sounds like that should continue, but I want to make sure there's no gap in coverage. I might try that Claimyr service since it seems impossible to get through to SSA otherwise. The peace of mind would be worth it to make sure everything transitions smoothly. I appreciate everyone's help and experiences! This community has been so much more helpful than my hours of waiting on hold.
Just wanted to add a few key points that might help with your planning: 1. **Timing is crucial** - Apply exactly 3 months before his 62nd birthday in June. This ensures no gap in benefits and gives SSA time to process everything smoothly. 2. **Bring documentation** - When you apply (whether online or in person), have his SSI award letter, Medicare card, and your Social Security statement ready. This speeds up the process significantly. 3. **Consider waiting if possible** - While I understand you need the income, remember that taking retirement at 62 means a permanent reduction of about 25% compared to his full retirement age benefit. If his health allows and you can manage financially, even waiting a year or two could mean hundreds more per month for life. 4. **Medicare continuation is almost certain** - Since he qualified for Medicare through disability (not age), this should continue seamlessly. The 24-month waiting period he already completed won't reset. 5. **Get it in writing** - When you do speak with SSA, ask them to document in writing that his Medicare will continue during the transition. This can help if there are any computer glitches later. Good luck with everything! It sounds like you're being very proactive about this transition.
This is incredibly helpful advice! I especially appreciate the tip about getting the Medicare continuation in writing - I never would have thought of that but it makes perfect sense given some of the horror stories I've heard. You're absolutely right about the timing being crucial. We've been going back and forth about whether he should wait beyond 62, but honestly with his health conditions and our current financial strain, I think we need to take the benefits when he's eligible. The peace of mind of having that extra income will be worth more to us than the higher amount later. The documentation checklist is great too - I'm going to make sure we have everything ready before we start the application process. Thank you for taking the time to lay all this out so clearly!
Carmen Vega
Yes, they said my own benefit at FRA would be about $2,650. So the ex-spousal benefit would be less than my own even at FRA. And waiting until 70 gives me an extra $800/month for potentially decades. Since I'm still working part-time and have some savings, I think I can make it work financially until 70.
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Jamal Harris
•That sounds like a solid plan given your numbers. The 8% per year delayed retirement credits between FRA and 70 are hard to beat as a guaranteed return. Just remember that if you're still working before FRA and decide to claim any benefits, you might be subject to the earnings test, which could reduce your benefits temporarily. After FRA, the earnings test no longer applies.
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Harold Oh
Great job getting all that information sorted out! Just wanted to add that you should also consider getting a my Social Security account at ssa.gov if you don't already have one. It'll show you projections of your benefits at different claiming ages and update annually with your latest earnings. Also, since you're planning to wait until 70, make sure to file your application about 3 months before your 70th birthday - benefits can't be paid retroactively beyond 6 months, so you don't want to accidentally lose any money by filing too late. The delayed retirement credits stop accumulating after age 70, so there's no benefit to waiting beyond that point.
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Alina Rosenthal
•This is really helpful advice! I actually do have a my Social Security account but I hadn't thought about the timing of filing the application. So I should apply about 3 months before I turn 70 to make sure I don't miss any payments? That's good to know - I would have probably waited until my actual birthday and potentially lost money. Thanks for the tip about delayed credits stopping at 70 too. It's reassuring to know there's a clear endpoint to the waiting strategy.
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