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My neighbor was in construction too, waited til 67 to retire and had a heart attack 3 months later!!! Spent his last year in and out of hospitals. What good did those extra dollars do him? NONE. The system is rigged to make us work ourselves to death.

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I'm very sorry about your neighbor. While anecdotes like this are powerful, it's important to balance them with comprehensive planning. Each person's health situation, financial needs, and family longevity is different. That said, quality of life considerations should absolutely factor into retirement timing decisions. A balanced approach considers both financial security and well-being.

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One thing no one's mentioned yet - have you considered the impact on your spouse if something happened to you? If you claim early and pass away before her, her survivor benefit would be based on your reduced amount (though there are some special rules that might apply). If you think she might rely on your benefit as a survivor someday, waiting for a higher amount might be worth considering. On the other hand, if she'll always use her own higher benefit amount, then this is less of a concern. Just something else to factor into your decision.

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That's a really important point I hadn't thought about. Given the health issues in my family history, the survivor benefit could matter. Though as you said, her own benefit is substantially higher than mine would be even at FRA, so she'd probably continue on her own benefit if I passed first. But definitely something to consider in the overall picture.

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one more thing - make SURE u get the repeal info from SSA directly if it happens!! my neighbor thought it was repealed last year because of some facebook post she saw and it was TOTALLY FALSE!!! she went to SSA all excited and they had to tell her it was fake news!!! there's sooooo much misinformation about WEP/GPO repeal!!

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OMG yes! My uncle saw the same thing and told everyone in the family the repeal happened! Then we all had to figure out it wasn't true. Don't trust anything unless it comes from SSA.gov directly!

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To address your follow-up question about wording for a written statement: Keep it simple and factual. Something like: "I am applying for survivor benefits on January 8, 2024. I understand these benefits are currently reduced due to the Government Pension Offset (GPO). I am requesting that if legislation is enacted that modifies or repeals the GPO during the period covered by my retroactive benefits, that my benefits be recalculated accordingly. I would like this statement to be included as part of my application record." Sign and date it, and ask for a copy with a receipt stamp. This won't guarantee anything, but it creates a record of your request that could be helpful depending on how any future legislation is worded.

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This is perfect! Thank you so much for the specific wording. I'll prepare this statement and bring it with me to my next appointment. At least this way I'll have documentation of my request in case the legislation does pass with retroactive provisions.

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has anyone mentioned restricted application? my brother did that with spousal benefits but im not sure if it applies for survivors benefits the same way

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The restricted application rules were phased out for most beneficiaries by the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015, but survivor benefits work differently. Widows/widowers still maintain the ability to choose between their own retirement benefit and the survivor benefit, and can switch between them. This is why the strategy of claiming reduced survivor benefits early and then switching to their own retirement benefit at FRA (or later) can be advantageous for some people.

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After reading through all these comments, I'd recommend scheduling an appointment with SSA to get the exact numbers for your situation. The general advice here is helpful, but only SSA can tell you exactly what your benefit amounts would be with the earnings test applied. If your reduced survivor benefit after the earnings test would be at least a few hundred dollars per month, and your husband's benefit was significantly higher than your own, it might be worth applying now. You'd get some extra income for 4 years, and then switch to your own benefit at FRA. However, if the amount after the earnings test would be minimal, the paperwork and hassle of applying might not be worth it. Remember that you'll need to provide marriage certificate, death certificate, proof of your earnings, and potentially other documentation. Have you considered reducing your work hours to stay under the earnings limit? That might be another strategy worth exploring if it's feasible in your situation.

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Thank you for pulling everything together. I hadn't thought about reducing my hours - that's an interesting idea, but probably not feasible with my current position. I think I'll try to reach SSA to get the exact numbers before making a decision.

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my sister got survivor benefits 15 years after her husband died so yes its possible. good luck getting anyone at SS to answer the phone tho lol

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One final point that might help your brother: When he speaks with SSA, he should specifically ask them to run a computation for BOTH benefits - his own reduced retirement benefit AND what he'd receive as a survivor. The higher amount is what he'll get going forward. If the survivor benefit is higher, they'll essentially switch him to that benefit and discontinue his own retirement benefit.

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Thank you all for the helpful information! My brother has an appointment next week to discuss this with SSA. I'm going with him to make sure he asks all the right questions about comparing his current benefit to potential survivor benefits. I appreciate everyone's advice!

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That's a common misconception. DAC benefits (officially called Childhood Disability Benefits) are for adults who became disabled before age 22 (not 18). The adult child must be unmarried and have a disability that began before age 22. The parent must be either deceased or receiving retirement or disability benefits. Since OP's daughter became disabled before 22 and her father is now on SSDI, she likely qualifies.

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oh ok thanks for clearing that up! social security rules are so confusing sometimes

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