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One thing that hasn't been mentioned: if your late wife's benefit at her FRA would have been HIGHER than your own benefit at your FRA, you might want to consider a different strategy! You could: 1. Take your OWN reduced retirement benefit now at 65 2. Then at your FRA, switch to the FULL survivor benefit This works if her benefit > your benefit. The calculations get complicated, so you really should discuss with an SSA representative who can run the numbers for your specific situation.
I'm so sorry for the loss of your wife, Jamal. I went through something similar when my husband passed away two years ago. Based on my experience and what others have shared here, I'd definitely encourage you to go ahead and apply for the survivor benefits now. Even though your benefits will be reduced due to your earnings, you'll still receive some money each month that can help with those medical bills. The key thing to remember is that this isn't really about "stopping" benefits - it's about how the system automatically adjusts based on your income. One practical tip: when you do get connected with SSA again (and I second the recommendation about trying Claimyr if you need to call), ask them to calculate exactly how much you'd receive monthly with your current income. That way you can budget accordingly and know what to expect. The peace of mind knowing you're getting some financial help while preserving your full retirement benefit for later is really valuable. I wish I had understood these options better when I was first navigating this process.
One important warning that nobody has mentioned: if any of his early lower-paying jobs were with employers not covered by Social Security (like some government or education positions), he might be subject to the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) which could actually REDUCE his Social Security benefit. This happens if he's receiving a pension from non-covered work. Similarly, if you're collecting a government pension from non-SS-covered work, your spousal benefits could be reduced by the Government Pension Offset (GPO) provision. Might be worth checking if these apply to your situation.
Just wanted to add one more consideration that might be helpful - since your husband is continuing to work past FRA, make sure you're both maximizing tax-advantaged savings opportunities! He can still contribute to a 401(k) if his employer offers one, and at his age he's eligible for catch-up contributions ($7,500 extra in 2024). This can help offset some of the higher tax burden from having both SS benefits and earned income. Also, if he has access to an HSA through work, that's triple tax-advantaged and can be a great supplement for healthcare costs in retirement. The combination of continued earnings replacing lower years in his SS calculation PLUS maximizing these tax-deferred savings can really optimize your overall retirement picture during these working years past FRA.
It's worth noting that any benefit increase from post-retirement earnings will likely be modest. This is because: 1. Only earnings that replace lower years in the top 35 will impact the calculation 2. The benefit formula gives less weight to higher earnings 3. Post-FRA recalculations don't include delayed retirement credits For example, if your father's recent $130K earnings replace a year where he earned $50K (after indexing), this might only increase his monthly benefit by $20-40. The exact amount depends on his complete earnings history. That said, even small increases add up over time, and if he's been missing these adjustments for years, the back pay could be substantial. Definitely worth pursuing.
As someone who just went through this process with my own parent, I'd strongly recommend your dad also request a copy of his complete earnings record (Form SSA-7050) when he contacts them. This will show exactly which years are being used in his benefit calculation and help verify that his recent higher earnings are actually being counted. One thing that caught my attention - you mentioned he worked for the government before starting his consulting business. If any of his government work was under a different retirement system (like FERS or state retirement), make sure those earnings are properly credited to his Social Security record too. Sometimes there can be gaps or missing years that affect the calculation. Also, don't let them tell him that because he's past 70, recalculations don't matter. That's completely wrong - the recalculations should happen regardless of age as long as he's still working and paying FICA taxes.
I'm so sorry for your loss, Avery. It sounds like you've been incredibly thorough in handling all the estate matters. I went through something similar with my grandmother's estate last year, and the waiting on hold with SSA was brutal - but you got through it! One tip for anyone else reading this thread: when you receive that form from SSA, make copies of everything before you send it back. I learned this the hard way when SSA claimed they never received my paperwork the first time. Certified mail with return receipt is worth the extra cost for peace of mind. It's great that you were proactive about this. Many people don't realize they need to handle these payments separately from just reporting the death, and it can create bigger headaches down the road.
That's excellent advice about making copies and using certified mail! I definitely learned from everyone's experiences in this thread about how important documentation is. I'm already making copies of everything before I send it back to SSA. Thanks for the condolences and the practical tip - it's these kinds of details that really help when you're navigating all this for the first time.
I'm dealing with a similar situation right now with my mother's estate. One thing I learned from my attorney is that you should also notify the bank (or whoever is handling the estate account) about this SSA repayment situation. They may need to keep sufficient funds available in the estate account until this is fully resolved, especially if there are other estate debts or distributions pending. The last thing you want is to accidentally distribute estate funds and then not have enough left to cover the SSA repayment when they process it. Good luck with everything - you're handling this much better than I did when I was going through it!
That's really smart advice about notifying the bank and keeping funds available! I hadn't thought about that potential complication. Since I'm still waiting on the form from SSA and don't know exactly when they'll want the repayment, I'll definitely make sure to keep that amount set aside in the estate account. The last thing I need is to create more problems by not having the funds available when they're ready to process it. Thanks for sharing that tip - it's exactly the kind of detail that could save a lot of headaches later.
Mateo Warren
Update on my situation - I did end up using Claimyr to get through to SSA (took about 10 minutes instead of hours), and the agent told me that my direct deposit information was actually IN their system already from my online attempt, but it was stuck in a 'pending review' status. Apparently this happens sometimes when the online form completion doesn't fully process. The agent was able to verify my banking details and approve it right away over the phone. Might be worth checking if you're in a similar situation!
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Molly Chambers
•That's really helpful! I'm going to try one more time with the browser trick someone suggested, and if that doesn't work, I'll definitely use that service to get through by phone. I don't want to wait another month for a paper check!
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Ahooker-Equator
I just went through this exact same frustrating experience last month! The missed phone appointments are unfortunately really common right now - I had two no-shows before finally getting through. For the online form issue, I had the same problem where clicking "save and exit" seemed scary because it sounds like you're abandoning everything. But as others mentioned, it really does take you to a confirmation page where the actual submit button appears. One tip that helped me: when you get to that final screen before "save and exit," take a screenshot of everything you've entered just in case something goes wrong. That way if you have to start over, you have all your info ready. Also, I found that using an incognito/private browser window sometimes works better with their system since it avoids any cached data conflicts. If all else fails, definitely try calling right when they open at 8 AM (not 7 AM like someone mentioned - they don't actually open until 8). The wait times are much shorter first thing in the morning. Hang in there - it's incredibly frustrating but you'll get it sorted out!
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Ruby Garcia
•Thank you for the screenshot tip - that's brilliant! I never would have thought to do that but it makes perfect sense given how unreliable their system seems to be. I'm definitely going to try the incognito window approach too. It's so frustrating that we have to jump through all these hoops just to set up something as basic as direct deposit, but I really appreciate everyone sharing their workarounds and solutions here!
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