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Another Texas teacher here. One important thing nobody's mentioned: If you keep working in a SS-covered job AFTER starting your TRS pension, those earnings are still subject to WEP, but they're calculated differently. In my case, I retired from teaching but work part-time as a consultant. That income still counts toward Social Security, and if I work enough years, it could eventually help reduce my WEP penalty further. The most accurate way to get your personal estimate is to contact SSA directly. I know it's frustrating with the wait times, but you need someone to calculate your specific situation. I used Claimyr.com to bypass the hold times and got connected to an agent in under 5 minutes. Worth every penny because I was able to get exact figures for my planning.

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That's a really good point about post-retirement work. I was planning to do some consulting after I retire from teaching, and I hadn't considered how that might affect the WEP calculation. I appreciate everyone's help - this forum has given me much better information than I've gotten anywhere else!

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I'm a newer member here but wanted to share what I learned going through this process recently. The key thing that helped me was getting my actual earnings record from SSA (at my.ssa.gov) and identifying which years qualified as "substantial earnings." What really surprised me was that the WEP reduction isn't just a flat percentage - it's calculated using a different formula for the first "bend point" of your Social Security benefit calculation. With your 20+ years in the private sector, you're likely looking at a reduction somewhere between 25-45% depending on your specific earnings history. One piece of advice: don't just rely on online calculators. I thought I had it figured out, but when I finally got through to an SSA specialist (took 3 tries), my actual projected reduction was different than what the calculators showed. The human factor really matters with these complex cases. Also, keep all your documentation organized - you'll need your TRS benefit estimate and your complete SS earnings record when you apply. The more prepared you are, the smoother the process will be.

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Welcome to the community! Your advice about getting the actual earnings record is spot on. I just logged into my SSA account for the first time in years and was surprised to see some gaps in my earnings history that I need to get corrected. It's frustrating that the online calculators can be so far off from reality - makes me wonder how many people are making retirement decisions based on incorrect estimates. Did the SSA specialist give you any tips on how to organize the documentation, or was it pretty straightforward once you had everything together?

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i always get confused about FRA. isn't it different for everyone?? mine is 67 according to my SS statement i got

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Yes, Full Retirement Age varies based on your birth year: - Born 1943-1954: FRA is 66 - Born 1955: FRA is 66 and 2 months - Born 1956: FRA is 66 and 4 months - Born 1957: FRA is 66 and 6 months - Born 1958: FRA is 66 and 8 months - Born 1959: FRA is 66 and 10 months - Born 1960 or later: FRA is 67 So if your statement says 67, you were born in 1960 or later.

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Just wanted to add one more thing that might be helpful - make sure you keep good records of your monthly earnings during those 10 months before your FRA! SSA sometimes asks for documentation if your reported earnings seem inconsistent with what employers report. I learned this the hard way when I had irregular consulting income. Also, if you're doing 1099 contract work, remember that self-employment income is counted when it's earned, not when you get paid. So if you complete a project in month 8 but don't invoice until month 11 (after FRA), it still counts against your pre-FRA limit. Keep track of when work is actually performed vs. when payment is received. The $59,520 limit for 2025 is really generous compared to previous years, so you should be in good shape with that consulting work!

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This is excellent advice about record-keeping! I'm just starting to navigate this whole system myself and hadn't thought about the documentation aspect. Quick question - when you say "self-employment income is counted when earned," does that apply even if I haven't received payment yet? Like if I complete a consulting project in month 9 but the client doesn't pay me until month 12 (after my FRA), that would still count toward the pre-FRA earnings limit for month 9?

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I definitely will! I'm planning to call tomorrow morning right when they open. Based on everyone's feedback, I'm pretty confident the first agent was mistaken, but I'll update with what I find out.

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I've been through a similar situation and want to emphasize something important that others have mentioned - even though you received incorrect information from an SSA agent, you're still responsible for any overpayments. However, don't let this discourage you from appealing if you do exceed the limit based on their advice. When you call back, ask to speak with a supervisor and document EVERYTHING - get the agent's name, ID number, time of call, and ask them to note your file that you're calling to clarify conflicting information you received. If possible, ask them to send you written confirmation of the correct earnings limits. Also, since you're doing 1099 work now, consider spreading your income strategically. You could potentially defer some payments until 2026 when the higher limit applies (January-March), or structure your contracts to minimize 2025 earnings. Just make sure any deferral strategies don't create tax complications. The earnings limit rules are confusing enough without getting wrong information from SSA agents. Stay strong and keep advocating for yourself!

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hey did ur husband ever work in the US at all? my uncle worked in both canada and US and my aunt got benefits from both places when he died!

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He visited for work sometimes but was never employed by a US company or paid US taxes. It was always through his UK employer. That probably makes things more complicated, I'm guessing.

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Rachel, I'm so sorry for your loss. I went through a similar situation when my Irish husband passed away. Since your husband never worked in the US, you'll need to focus on the UK system for any benefits based on his work record. The UK does have "Bereavement Support Payment" which is different from their State Pension and has different age requirements - it's available to widows/widowers under State Pension age. You should definitely call that UK International Pension Centre number that Seraphina posted (+44 191 218 7777) and specifically ask about bereavement benefits, not just pension benefits. They have a whole separate system for widows that I wish someone had told me about earlier! Also, even with only 8 years of US work credits, you might still have some options through the totalization agreement if your husband had any UK National Insurance contributions. Don't give up - these cases are complex but there are often benefits available that aren't obvious at first.

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Welcome to the community, Javier! You've gotten some excellent advice here already. Just to summarize the key points for your situation: 1. **Apply in June** (3 months before your September birthday) 2. **First payment arrives in October** (benefits are paid the month after they're due) 3. **Monthly earnings test applies** in your first year - you can earn up to $1,860/month without benefit reduction after you start collecting 4. **Pre-September earnings don't matter** - only what you earn in months when you're actually receiving benefits Since you're planning to have already exceeded the annual limit by September, you're in a perfect position to take advantage of that monthly test. If you stop working or significantly reduce hours in September, you should receive full benefits from that point forward. One additional tip: Make sure to report any work income to SSA promptly once you start receiving benefits. They have an online portal where you can report monthly earnings, which helps avoid overpayments that would need to be repaid later. Good luck with your retirement planning!

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Thank you Victoria for that excellent summary! As someone new to all this Social Security stuff, having it broken down into clear action items like that is incredibly helpful. I was definitely overthinking the earnings limit situation - the monthly test concept makes so much more sense now that everyone has explained it. I'm feeling much more confident about my timeline now. June application for September birthday, expect first payment in October, and I can stop worrying about what I earned earlier in the year. That takes a huge weight off my shoulders! The tip about reporting work income through the online portal is great too. I want to make sure I stay on top of everything to avoid any complications down the road. Really appreciate how supportive this community has been for a newcomer like me. Thanks everyone!

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Great summary from Victoria! I'd like to add one more consideration that might be relevant to your situation, Javier. Since you mentioned your health isn't great in an earlier comment, you might want to look into whether you qualify for any disability benefits before claiming regular retirement at 62. Disability benefits aren't reduced for early claiming like retirement benefits are, so if you have a qualifying condition, you could potentially receive your full Primary Insurance Amount rather than the reduced amount you'd get by claiming at 62. You can actually apply for both and SSA will process whichever you're eligible for. Also, once you reach Full Retirement Age, disability benefits automatically convert to retirement benefits at the full amount. Just something to consider given your health concerns - it might be worth discussing with your doctor or a disability attorney to see if it's worth exploring. The application process can take longer for disability claims, so if you think you might qualify, you'd want to start that process sooner rather than later.

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