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I've been receiving Social Security retirement benefits since I hit my Full Retirement Age in 2022. My current monthly payment breaks down to $920 gross, minus $198 for Medicare premiums, leaving me with $722 net. I know my benefit is reduced because of the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP), but I've never received a clear explanation of exactly how much is being withheld. I worked for the state government for 21 years where I earned a pension. But I also put in 22 years at various private companies, with approximately 14 of those years meeting what SSA calls "Substantial Earnings." With the news that WEP is being eliminated, I'm trying to figure out what my new benefit amount might be once SSA reprograms their systems in 2025. Does anyone know how to estimate what my new monthly payment will be without the WEP reduction? I've tried calling SSA several times but can't get through to anyone who can explain it. Any help calculating this would be greatly appreciated!
I'm trying to figure out the best approach for my 58-year-old daughter who has been disabled since childhood. We attempted an SSI claim for her about 10 years ago but got denied due to resources (she owns a partial interest in our family property). Now that I'm eligible for retirement benefits (I'm 67), I'm wondering if she could qualify for SSDI as a Disabled Adult Child (DAC) under my earnings record. Here's my dilemma - I'd prefer to delay my retirement benefits until 70 to maximize my monthly amount. However, getting my daughter on SSDI/DAC would significantly reduce our financial burden of supporting her, plus she'd qualify for Medicare after the 24-month waiting period. We consulted with an attorney about setting up a Special Needs Trust, but he suggested pursuing SSDI/DAC instead (though he's not specialized in disability law). My questions are: 1. Do I absolutely have to start receiving my own Social Security retirement benefits before she can apply for DAC benefits? 2. Should we hire a disability attorney to review our case before proceeding? 3. Any other suggestions for our situation? I'm worried about starting my benefits early, only to find out she doesn't qualify for DAC. That would be a permanent reduction in my benefit amount for potentially no gain.
After reading through all the comments, I'd recommend this approach: 1. Consult with a disability attorney who specializes in DAC claims specifically (not just general disability) 2. Have them review your daughter's medical records and previous SSI denial to assess likelihood of DAC approval 3. Consider scheduling a pre-retirement interview with SSA (use Claimyr if phone access is difficult) to get official information about how your benefit choices affect your daughter's eligibility 4. Run the financial numbers comparing scenarios: (a) take reduced benefits now to enable DAC, or (b) wait until 70 while continuing to support your daughter 5. Make sure your daughter's medical records clearly establish disability onset before age 22 A thorough preparation approach will give you much more confidence in your decision.
One additional consideration that might help with your decision-making: you can actually apply for both your retirement benefits AND your daughter's DAC benefits at the same time. This means you won't have to wait months between starting your benefits and getting her application processed. Also, if you do decide to start your benefits early, remember that you can still work and earn up to the annual earnings limit without affecting your benefits (in 2025 it's $23,400 if you're under full retirement age). This might help offset some of the reduction from taking benefits early. Have you calculated what your daughter's potential DAC benefit amount would be? It's typically 50% of your primary insurance amount, which might help you weigh the financial trade-offs more precisely.
I've been doing a lot of research about maximizing our Social Security benefits, but I'm still confused about spousal options. My husband is turning 70 in about 6 months and plans to file for his retirement benefits then. I'm 65 now and haven't filed for my benefits yet because my earnings record is stronger than his. When he files at 70, would he be eligible to receive spousal benefits based on my higher record instead of his own? Or does he have to take his own benefit amount? I thought spousal benefits were only for the lower-earning spouse, but my neighbor mentioned something about both of us being able to get the higher amount. The SSA website is so confusing on this topic! Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you all for the helpful responses! I've learned so much from this discussion. Just to summarize what I understand now: 1. My husband should go ahead and file for his own benefits when he turns 70. 2. He can't receive spousal benefits based on my record because his own benefit will be more than half of mine. 3. When I decide to file (likely at 70), I'll get my own benefit amount. 4. The higher benefit (mine) will become the survivor benefit if one of us passes away. I appreciate everyone taking the time to explain this. The Social Security rules can be so confusing!
You've got it exactly right, Zara! Your summary is spot on. One additional tip I'd suggest - since you're planning to wait until 70 to file, make sure to apply about 3-4 months before your 70th birthday to avoid any processing delays. Social Security benefits can be retroactive up to 6 months, but you don't want to miss out on any payments due to paperwork timing. Also, keep good records of both your and your husband's work history and earnings - it helps when you finally do file to make sure your benefits are calculated correctly. Good luck with your planning!
I'm at my wits' end with this whole disability process. My husband filed for SSDI at 62 (he's now 63) after a serious back injury made his construction work impossible. We've been waiting 11 months and his disability examiner says it'll be at LEAST 3-4 more months before any decision. I've heard horror stories about almost everyone getting denied initially. Here's what keeps me up at night: What happens if we get denied and have to go through appeals that stretch past his Full Retirement Age (66 and 10 months)? He hasn't filed for regular retirement benefits because we thought disability would be better (no early filing reduction plus Medicare). He paid into the system for 45 years straight, never took a government handout in his life. Should he just give up on disability and file for reduced retirement now? If we wait for the SSDI process and appeals to finish but it stretches past his FRA, do we lose all those months of payments? The local office gave us conflicting information and I don't know what to believe anymore.
Thank you all for the helpful information. I think we're going to continue waiting for the disability decision and not file for reduced retirement benefits yet. The potential long-term reduction isn't worth it if we can manage financially for a few more months. I'm going to try that Claimyr service to see if we can get through to someone about possibly expediting his case based on financial hardship. And we'll make sure our lawyer knows about the FRA timing issues so they can advise us properly. It's so frustrating that the system is this complicated and slow, especially for someone who worked and paid into it for 45+ years. But at least now I understand what happens with the timing better.
You're making a smart decision to wait it out, especially given the significant difference between reduced and full retirement benefits ($690/month is substantial over a lifetime). Since you already have legal representation, that puts you in a much better position than many applicants. One additional thing to consider - if your husband's condition has worsened since the initial application, make sure your lawyer documents any progression or new limitations. Sometimes cases get approved not just on the original condition but on how it has deteriorated during the waiting period. Also, keep detailed records of all your financial hardship during this waiting period (medical bills, lost income, etc.) as this documentation can be helpful both for expedite requests and potentially for calculating any additional backpay periods. The financial stress of waiting is real and legitimate grounds for requesting faster processing. Hang in there - 11 months is frustrating but not unusual, and having a lawyer significantly improves your odds at each stage of the process.
I've been drawing my own Social Security since turning 62, but I'm wondering about potential spousal benefits when my husband starts collecting. I'm currently 64 and my husband is 62. He's planning to wait until his full retirement age to start his benefits. When he does start collecting, will I be eligible for any kind of "top up" or additional spousal benefit based on his record, even though I've already been collecting my own? My FRA is coming up in about a year, and I'm trying to figure out our best strategy. His benefit amount will be significantly higher than mine (about double), and I've heard something about possibly getting up to 50% of his amount, but I'm not sure if that applies in my situation since I took mine early. Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
let us know what u find out! im curious what they tell u since ill be in the same boat in a couple years
Just wanted to add a quick tip from my own experience - when you do contact SSA, make sure you have your husband's Social Security statement handy too. They'll need his projected benefit amount to run the calculations for your potential spousal benefit. You can both create accounts at ssa.gov to access your statements if you don't have them already. Also, don't be surprised if different agents give you slightly different answers - I had to call twice to get consistent information, but it was worth it to understand exactly where we stood financially. The automatic adjustment when your husband files is nice though - one less thing to worry about!
That's really helpful advice about having both Social Security statements ready! I didn't think about needing my husband's information too, but that makes sense for the calculations. Good to know about potentially getting different answers from different agents - I'll make sure to call back if something doesn't sound right. Thanks for the tip about creating accounts at ssa.gov if we don't have our statements already. It's reassuring to hear that the automatic adjustment actually works smoothly for most people!
Jayden Reed
To directly answer your question about what to expect in 2025: Based on your 14 years of substantial earnings, your WEP penalty is likely reduced from the maximum by 40%. With the information you've provided, I estimate your benefit will increase by approximately $330-380 per month once WEP is eliminated. To get a more precise estimate, you can: 1. Log into your my Social Security account 2. Look for your PIA (Primary Insurance Amount) before WEP reduction 3. Compare it to your current benefit amount The difference is approximately what you'll gain when WEP is eliminated. Keep in mind that there will also be COLA increases between now and 2025 that will make the actual dollar amount higher.
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Grace Johnson
Does anyone know WHEN in 2025 we'll actually see this increase?? Will it be January or are they gonna make us wait all year???
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Jayden Reed
The legislation states implementation must be completed during 2025, but doesn't specify a month. SSA hasn't announced a specific timeline yet. I expect they'll need several months to reprogram their systems, so mid-2025 is probably realistic. They'll likely process retroactive payments back to January 2025 once the systems are updated.
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Christopher Morgan
Thank you all for the helpful information! I've been trying to get straight answers for months. I'm going to request the non-WEP PIA calculation and try to get through to an agent. From what everyone has shared, it looks like I might see an increase of $300-350 per month once WEP is eliminated. That would make a huge difference for me. Does anyone know if we'll receive any official communication from SSA about our specific increase amount before the changes take effect in 2025?
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Aurora St.Pierre
SSA will likely send notices to all affected beneficiaries before implementing the changes. Based on previous major program changes, they typically send these communications 2-3 months before implementation. The notice should include your current benefit amount, the WEP-eliminated amount, and the effective date of the change.
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Sean O'Donnell
@Christopher Morgan, I'd also recommend keeping copies of any documentation you get from SSA about your WEP reduction amount. When the changes roll out in 2025, having that paperwork will help verify that your new benefit amount is calculated correctly. I've heard of cases where people had to provide their own documentation to fix errors in the system updates. Also, if you do use that Claimyr service that Cassandra mentioned, make sure to ask them to email you a summary of what the agent told you. Having it in writing is always better than trying to remember the details later.
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