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Social Security WEP repeal retroactive payment confusion with upcoming spousal benefits

I'm in a confusing situation with my Social Security benefits after the WEP repeal. I've been receiving significantly reduced benefits because of the Windfall Elimination Provision, but now that it's been repealed I should be owed retroactive payments dating back to December 2023. Here's where it gets complicated - I recently applied for spousal benefits and have a phone interview scheduled with SSA for March 18. I understand spousal benefits can be paid retroactively for up to 6 months from the protective filing date. What I can't figure out is: How will they handle my WEP retroactive payments? And how will this affect my spousal benefits timing? I know I'll eventually just receive the spousal benefits (since they'll likely be higher), but shouldn't I be entitled to my full regular SS benefits backpay BEFORE the spousal benefits kick in? Does anyone else affected by WEP repeal have similar concerns about how this works with spousal benefits? The SSA website isn't clear about how these two situations interact.

One more important point: keep detailed records of everything. Write down the date of your call, the representative's name and ID number if they provide one, and take notes about what they tell you. If something doesn't happen as promised, these notes will be essential when you follow up. Also, be aware that the WEP recalculations are being done in phases, and there have been reports of some taking longer than others. If you don't see your adjustment within a month after your call, it would be reasonable to follow up.

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That's great advice. I'll definitely keep detailed notes during the call. Do you happen to know if they can give me a timeline for when to expect the WEP recalculation to be completed? I'm trying to plan my finances accordingly.

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I'm going through a very similar situation! I was affected by WEP for over a decade and just got my spousal benefits approved last month. Here's what actually happened in my case: The SSA representative told me they process the WEP recalculation first, then apply spousal benefits. I received my WEP backpay in two separate payments - one large lump sum for the period from December 2023 to when my spousal benefits kicked in, then the difference between my recalculated benefit and the higher spousal amount for any overlapping months. The whole process took about 6 weeks from my phone interview to receiving all payments. Make sure to ask during your call if they can expedite your WEP recalculation since you have the spousal application pending - sometimes they can coordinate the timing better. One thing that helped me was bringing up both issues right at the beginning of the call so the rep could see the full picture. Good luck with your interview on the 18th!

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Can I claim my deceased wife's Social Security at 63 while letting mine grow until FRA at 67?

I'm getting ready to retire next month at 63, and trying to figure out the best way to maximize my Social Security benefits. My wife passed away about 3 years ago (she was 63 at the time). Her Social Security benefit was smaller than what mine will be. I was wondering if it's possible for me to claim her survivor benefits now, but hold off on taking my own retirement benefits until I reach my full retirement age at 67? This way my own benefit could continue growing while I still receive some income. Has anyone done this kind of strategy? Is this even allowed by SSA rules? Thanks for any advice you can share!

One thing I wanted to mention - when I was applying for survivor benefits, my friend gave me a tip to specifically request an appointment with a claims specialist who handles survivor benefits. Not all reps are equally knowledgeable about all benefit types. It made a huge difference in my case because the specialist caught something that would have reduced my benefit that the previous person I spoke with missed completely.

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This is such valuable information - thank you all for sharing your experiences! I'm a widow myself (husband passed 2 years ago) and I've been trying to navigate this maze of decisions. @PaulineW your tip about requesting a specialist is gold - I had no idea you could do that. @Josef Tearle the earnings test info is crucial too since I'm also considering some part-time work. It sounds like the key takeaway is that yes, the survivor benefit strategy can work, but there are so many variables (reduced benefits if taken early, earnings limits, whether your spouse reached FRA, etc.) that really require getting personalized advice from SSA. I think I'll use that Claimyr service @Charity Cohan mentioned to actually get through to someone knowledgeable. Has anyone else used services like that to get past the long hold times?

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I haven't used Claimyr specifically, but I did use a similar callback service last year when trying to reach SSA about my disability application. It was honestly a lifesaver - I think I paid like $20 or something and they called me back within 30 minutes when an agent was available. Way better than sitting on hold for hours! For something as important as survivor benefits planning, it's definitely worth the small fee. Just make sure you have all your questions written down beforehand because once you're connected, you want to make the most of that time with the agent.

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Social Security survivor benefits for adult disabled child - never informed after father's death?

I'm really confused about my adult son's benefits and think I might have missed something important. My son has been disabled since childhood (since 1996). His father became disabled in 1999 and then passed away in 2012 at just 39 years old. My son just turned 30 this year. Here's what's confusing me - my son's monthly benefit amount never changed after his father died. He gets payments from the 'disability insurance trust fund' according to his paperwork. Was I supposed to apply for survivor benefits for him after his father died? Are survivor benefits different from what he's already getting? I never knew to apply for anything different and no one from Social Security contacted us. I'm worried we've been missing out on benefits he should have been receiving for the past 13 years! Can someone explain if these are different programs and if I need to do something to correct this?

this happened to my neighbor too!!! her son was disabled and when her husband died the checks stayed the same. when she finally figured it out like 5 years later they gave her back pay but only for like 1 year not the whole 5 years. fight for all the back pay!!!!

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I'm so sorry you're going through this - it sounds incredibly stressful to discover there might have been an error for so many years. Based on what others have shared here, it really does sound like your son should have been automatically converted to survivor benefits when his father passed away in 2012. The good news is that if SSA made an error, they are generally required to correct it and provide back payments. However, I'd suggest being prepared for the possibility that they might initially pushback or claim there's a time limit on corrections. Don't let them discourage you - if this was their administrative error, you have strong grounds to fight for full retroactive payment. When you call, also ask them to provide you with a written explanation of your son's current benefit type and calculation. Having everything in writing will be important if you need to escalate the issue or file an appeal. Document every conversation you have with them, including dates, times, and the names of representatives you speak with. Good luck - I really hope you're able to get this resolved and get your son the benefits he's entitled to!

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Hi Robert, your experience is actually not uncommon and highlights a key difference in how SSDI and retirement benefits are calculated. When you became disabled at 59, SSA calculated your SSDI using your earnings record up to that point (32 years in your case). However, for retirement benefits at FRA, they can use up to 35 years of your highest earnings, including any years after your disability onset date where you may have had some earnings or zero-earnings years that get dropped from the calculation. The increase you received likely reflects this recalculation using the full 35-year computation period, which can result in a higher Primary Insurance Amount (PIA). This doesn't necessarily mean you were "underpaid" during your SSDI years - rather, the calculations use different methodologies and time periods. I'd recommend requesting a detailed explanation from SSA showing both calculations side by side. You can also request your complete earnings record to verify which years were used in each calculation. If there's still confusion, consider consulting with a Social Security attorney who can review your specific case and determine if the calculations were done correctly.

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@Connor Rupert Good Morning. I find it interesting my situation is not all that uncommon, for most of the SSA staff I have discussed this with have expressed confusion as to the reason my DIB was not equal to my RIB at FRA. The SSA Retirement pamphlet clearly states: The disability benefit is the same as a full, unreduced retirement benefit. In my case, I did not have any additional earnings after my EOD my (SSDI was awarded several years after my EOD, and included retroactive benefits ,)and a review of the calculations suggests none of these years were included in either calculation. I have learned that the 32-year EOD calculation is essentially a Freeze calculation, while the 35-year FRA calculation is considered a Non-Freeze calculation, but discerning the difference, let alone the conditions under which each is utilized remains puzzling, at best. I appreciate your response and, as suggested, shall continue my pursuit for clarification with the SSA.

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Will Social Security COLA for 2025 be enough to offset Medicare premium increases?

Just got to thinking about next year's Social Security COLA (Cost of Living Adjustment) after seeing some news about inflation. Anyone have an idea if the 2025 COLA will actually cover the Medicare premium increases? Last year my SS increase was basically eaten up by the Medicare Part B premium jump. Seems like we never really get ahead! I'm on a fixed income and these Medicare increases are really making it hard to budget. Anyone heard any projections yet for what the 2025 numbers might look like for both?

My mom just got on Medicare last year and she was shocked by how the system works. She thought SS benefits would just keep up with inflation automatically but now she's learning that's not really how it works in practice. Has anyone found good ways to budget with such uncertainty around these annual changes?

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I've started keeping a separate emergency fund specifically for healthcare cost increases. I put aside a little bit whenever I can, assuming my out-of-pocket costs will go up by at least 5% each year (even with Medicare). It's not perfect, but it helps me not panic with each annual announcement.

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I've been following this issue closely since I'm also on a fixed income. From what I've read, the 2025 COLA will likely be in the 2.5-3% range based on current inflation trends, but Medicare Part B premiums could easily eat up half or more of that increase. What really bothers me is that they don't coordinate the announcements better. We get excited about the COLA in October, then get hit with the Medicare premium news in November. It would be so much more helpful if they released both numbers at the same time so we could see the real net impact on our budgets. I've started planning for worst case scenario - assume minimal net increase after Medicare adjustments and budget accordingly. It's depressing but at least there are no surprises that way!

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