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Thanks everyone for the helpful responses! I think I understand now - the $1,950 monthly limit only applies to what I earn from working, not my SS benefit amount. My benefit check is completely separate from that limit. So I can receive my $1,400 SS benefit AND earn up to $1,950 from my part-time job without any reduction. That's a big relief and makes planning my retirement budget much easier. I'm definitely going to be careful not to exceed that monthly limit during my first year of retirement. After reading your experiences, I'll be tracking my earnings closely to avoid any surprises!
You've got it exactly right! It's great to see you understand the distinction now. Just wanted to add a quick tip from my experience - I keep a simple spreadsheet tracking my monthly earnings to make sure I stay under that $1,950 limit. It's saved me from accidentally going over several times when I was tempted to pick up extra hours. Also, don't forget that if you do accidentally go a bit over one month, those "lost" benefits aren't gone forever. Once you reach your Full Retirement Age, SSA will recalculate and give you credit for any benefits that were withheld due to the earnings test. So while you want to avoid going over the limit, it's not a complete disaster if it happens occasionally. Good luck with your part-time work in retirement!
That's a really smart idea about keeping a spreadsheet to track earnings! I hadn't thought of that but it would definitely give me peace of mind. And thanks for mentioning that the withheld benefits aren't lost forever - that makes me feel less anxious about accidentally going over the limit. I'm feeling much more confident about navigating this now. Really appreciate all the helpful advice from everyone here!
I'm new to this community but dealing with a very similar situation! I worked 15 years as a teacher in a state system that didn't contribute to Social Security, and now I'm trying to piece together enough quarters from other jobs to qualify for benefits. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful - I had no idea about the distinction between Medicare credits and SS credits, or that the Fairness Act wouldn't actually give us credit for those teaching years toward the 40 quarters. That's disappointing but good to know. One question for the group: Has anyone successfully appealed or gotten clarification from SSA about borderline cases? I'm wondering if there are any situations where teaching years might count if there was some SS withholding during certain periods (like summer jobs through the school district that were covered). Also wanted to echo what others have said about contacting representatives. I just called mine yesterday after reading Keisha's post about the GPO eliminating survivor benefits entirely - that's absolutely outrageous and something needs to change. StarSeeker, you're so close with 33 quarters! I hope you can push through those last 7. This whole system seems designed to make it as difficult as possible for educators to get the benefits they deserve.
Welcome to the community, Eli! Your situation sounds really challenging too. Regarding your question about summer jobs through the school district - that's actually a great point to investigate. If those summer positions were classified differently and had SS withholding, they might count toward your quarters even if your regular teaching position didn't. I'd definitely recommend getting your complete Social Security Statement online first to see exactly what's already credited to your record. Sometimes there are surprises - jobs we forgot about or periods where withholding rules were different. As for appeals, I haven't personally gone through that process, but I know SSA does review cases where there might be questions about coverage. If you have pay stubs or W-2s from those summer positions showing SS taxes were withheld, that could be worth pursuing. You're absolutely right that this system seems designed to penalize educators. It's frustrating that we have to become experts in all these complex rules just to get benefits we've earned. But at least we can help each other navigate it! Keep us posted on what you find out about those summer positions.
I'm so glad I found this thread! I'm also dealing with the education/Social Security mess. I taught for 12 years in Ohio where we didn't pay into SS, and I'm currently at 28 quarters from other jobs. Reading everyone's experiences has been really eye-opening. StarSeeker, I feel your frustration about needing those additional quarters. Like others mentioned, I'd definitely recommend checking your exact status on ssa.gov - sometimes the count is different than what we calculate ourselves. One thing I learned recently that might help both you and your husband: if either of you worked any federal jobs (even temporary or seasonal), those usually count toward SS quarters even if they were decades ago. Worth double-checking your records for anything like that. The Fairness Act discussion here has been really informative too. I've been following it but didn't realize how much bipartisan support the current version has. Even if we can't count on it passing, it gives me hope that lawmakers are finally recognizing how unfair WEP and GPO are to educators and public servants. Hang in there with the part-time work - 7 quarters isn't that far! And thank you to everyone who's shared their knowledge here. This community is exactly what I needed to find.
Welcome Fatima! This thread has been such a lifesaver for me too. I had no idea how many other people were dealing with these same issues until I found this community. That's a really good point about federal jobs - I hadn't thought to look back at temporary or seasonal work. My husband might have had some federal employment during his younger years that we completely forgot about. It's worth digging through old records to see if there's anything we missed. I'm feeling more hopeful after reading everyone's responses here. Even though I still need those 7 quarters, at least I understand the rules better now and have a clear path forward. And like you said, seeing the support for the Fairness Act gives me hope that things might improve for future educators dealing with this situation. Thanks for the encouragement about the part-time work. Some days it feels endless, but you're right - 7 quarters really isn't that far when I think about it that way. This community has been exactly what I needed too!
this is so confusing!!!! how is anyone supposed to keep track of all these rules and limits and trial periods???? and they wonder why people just give up trying to work at all!
RIGHT?!? My cousin has been on SSDI for years and is terrified to even try working part-time because of all this confusing red tape. The whole system seems designed to keep people trapped in poverty. And heaven forbid you make an honest mistake - they'll come after you for every penny plus interest. It's inhumane.
Thank you everyone for all this valuable information! I've learned so much. I'm going to call SSA tomorrow to find out exactly where I stand with my Trial Work Period and get clarity on my specific situation. I'm also going to look into both the Ticket to Work program and whether any of my expenses qualify as Impairment-Related Work Expenses. Really appreciate all the help!
Good plan! When you call, ask specifically about your Trial Work Period status - how many months you've used so far. Also request a Benefits Planning Query (BPQY) report, which will give you a complete overview of your benefits and work history as recorded by SSA. It's free and extremely helpful for planning purposes. Best of luck!
@StarStrider gave great advice about the BPQY report! Also, when you call SSA, make sure to ask them to document your call in your file. If they give you any specific guidance about your earnings or work situation, ask them to send you a written confirmation or at least reference the date and time of your call for future reference. This can protect you if there are any disputes later about what you were told. Having everything documented has saved me from headaches before!
One more important point about the DAC benefits for your husband's son: When he converts from SSI to DAC, he'll receive a benefit equal to 50% of your husband's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) while your husband is alive. If your husband passes away, the son's benefit would increase to 75% of your husband's PIA. This conversion won't affect your spousal top-up at all, as the family maximum typically doesn't apply in these situations. Both you and the son can receive your full entitled benefits without reducing each other's amounts.
As someone who went through a similar situation, I wanted to add that when you call SSA about the spousal top-up, ask them to calculate the exact amount you're entitled to and when your eligibility started. They should be able to tell you over the phone before you even go in for the appointment. Also, regarding the DAC benefits for your stepson - make sure the application gets filed soon because there can be processing delays, and you don't want him to miss out on any potential benefits while waiting. The transition from SSI to DAC is usually worth it financially, but as others mentioned, definitely check on the Medicaid situation first since that can be tricky to navigate. One last tip: if you end up going to the SSA office, try to schedule an appointment rather than walking in. The wait times for walk-ins can be brutal, especially if you need to discuss multiple benefit types like you do.
This is really helpful advice about calling ahead to get the calculations! I hadn't thought about asking them to run the numbers over the phone first. That would definitely save me a trip if there are any issues with my eligibility. And you're absolutely right about scheduling an appointment. I've heard horror stories about people waiting all day at SSA offices. I'll definitely try to get an appointment scheduled once I call them about the spousal benefit calculations. Thanks for mentioning the processing delays too - I'll make sure to tell my husband's ex that time might be a factor here so she doesn't put off filing the DAC application for too long.
Amara Adebayo
Thanks everyone for all the helpful information! I finally got through to Social Security (used that Claimyr service someone mentioned - worked great). The agent confirmed what you all said - we each get our own benefits regardless of the divorce. She also showed me the difference in my benefit amounts: at 62 I'd get about $1,875 monthly, but if I wait until my FRA at 67, it jumps to around $2,650! That's a huge difference. Since my soon-to-be-ex makes less than me, she might be better off taking the spousal benefit eventually. I'm going to work a couple more years and then decide when to file. Really appreciate all the advice here - saved me a lot of confusion!
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Natasha Petrov
That's fantastic that you got through to SSA and got concrete numbers! The difference between $1,875 and $2,650 per month really puts it in perspective - that's almost $800 more monthly or about $9,300 extra per year just for waiting until FRA. And you're absolutely right about your ex potentially benefiting from spousal benefits if your earnings history is significantly higher. One thing to keep in mind as you plan those couple extra working years - your highest 35 years of earnings are used to calculate your benefit, so if you're still earning well, those additional years could potentially increase your benefit amount even further. It sounds like you're making a really informed decision now with all the facts!
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Omar Hassan
•Congratulations on getting through to SSA and getting those concrete numbers! That $775/month difference really shows why timing matters so much. Just wanted to add - since you mentioned working a couple more years, make sure to check if those extra earnings will bump out any lower-earning years from your calculation. SSA uses your highest 35 years, so if you're still earning more now than in some earlier years, it could boost your benefit even beyond what they quoted you. Also smart thinking about your ex potentially getting spousal benefits - that 50% of your higher benefit could end up being more than what she'd get on her own record after 25 years of work. Really glad that Claimyr service worked for you too!
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