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Taking ex-spouse survivor benefits before FRA - March birthday percentages & application timing questions

I've been researching survivor benefits from my ex-spouse but financially can't wait until my Full Retirement Age. I'm really confused about the reduction percentages at different ages and the whole application process. Can anyone tell me what percentage of my ex's benefit I'd get if I claim at 66 versus 67? I know there's a reduction for claiming early, but I can't find clear numbers for these specific ages. I understand I should apply about 3 months before I want benefits to start, but I'm confused about how to specify the start date. My birthday is March 30th - if I want benefits to start as soon as possible after my birthday, do I request March as my start date and then get my first payment in April? How exactly does this timing work? Also, I'm thinking about making an in-person appointment at my local office to have them print out the exact benefit amounts I'd receive at different ages. Should I bring my marriage and divorce certificates to this appointment, or is that only needed for the actual application? I'm pretty overwhelmed by all this and would really appreciate any guidance. Thank you!

Just a WARNING about those appointments - don't assume the first person you talk to knows everything!! I got completely wrong info at my first appointment and made a HUGE mistake with my claiming strategy. Make sure you talk to a TECHNICAL EXPERT not just a regular service rep. Ask specifically for someone who specializes in survivor benefits!! And take notes of EVERYTHING they say.

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That's a really good point - I'll definitely ask for a technical expert who specializes in survivor benefits. I'll also take detailed notes and maybe even record the conversation if they allow it. Thank you for the warning!

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I'm new to this community but going through a similar situation with my late husband's benefits. One thing I learned that might help - when you schedule your appointment, try to get the earliest time slot possible in the day. The staff tends to be more focused in the morning and the computers are less likely to have issues. Also, I'd recommend calling ahead to confirm what specific documents they need for your exact situation since requirements can vary slightly based on your circumstances. Another tip - bring a simple one-page summary of your key dates (birth date, marriage date, divorce date, ex-spouse's death date) and your specific questions written down. It helps keep the appointment on track and ensures you don't forget to ask something important. Good luck with everything!

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WEP maximum reduction limit for Social Security benefits in 2025 - government pension question

I've worked for a state wildlife department since 2012 that has its own pension system and doesn't take out Social Security taxes. Before that, I worked in the private sector for about 15 years and earned 42 credits with Social Security. I know my SS benefits will get hit by the Windfall Elimination Provision when I retire in a couple years at 63, but someone at our pre-retirement seminar mentioned there's a maximum amount they can reduce your benefit. With SS payments going up with inflation, does anyone know what the maximum WEP reduction amount will be for 2025? My HR person couldn't tell me and the SSA website calculator is confusing me. Just trying to figure out how much this will actually affect my retirement income.

By the way, it's worth checking if your state has any supplemental programs to offset the WEP reduction. A handful of states have recognized how WEP hurts their public employees and created special supplemental benefit programs. I know Colorado, Massachusetts, and Ohio have something like this. Might be worth asking your HR department if there's anything similar in your pension system.

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I've never heard about states offering supplements to offset WEP. That's really interesting! I doubt my state (Nevada) does this since I've never heard it mentioned in any retirement seminars, but I'll definitely ask about it at our next pension meeting. Thanks for the tip!

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Carmen, regarding your question about working part-time in a SS-covered job to get more substantial earnings years - it can be worth it, but you'd need to run the numbers carefully. Each additional year of substantial earnings reduces your WEP penalty by about 5% of the maximum reduction. So going from 12 to 15 substantial years would save you roughly $94/month ($627 ร— 15%). The substantial earnings threshold for 2025 is expected to be around $31,275, so you'd need to earn at least that much in SS-covered employment for the year to count. If you can find part-time work that pays well enough and you're physically able to do it for a few years, it might make financial sense - especially since you'd also be earning additional SS credits that increase your base benefit amount. Just remember that your state pension system might have restrictions on working after retirement, so check those rules first. Some systems reduce your pension if you work for another government entity or work too many hours.

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Social Security recalculation nightmare - PIA amounts reduced without processing center review

I'm dealing with a complete mess trying to get my Social Security benefit calculated correctly. My PIA (Primary Insurance Amount) was initially shown at one amount, then got reduced when I filed over the phone. I was promised it would be recalculated, but that never happened. The worst part? I lost most of my 2024 COLA increase, and despite having higher earnings last year, my benefit amount didn't increase at all. When I checked my online account, it showed my application was both "evaluated" and "approved" ON THE SAME DAY! When I went to my local SSA office, the representative was shocked and told me my application was never sent to the processing center for proper calculation before approval - which she said was absolutely required. She advised filing for a non-medical reconsideration to force it through the proper channels. I filed the reconsideration about a month after my benefit award. When I checked back 6 weeks later, a different rep said their system showed it was at the processing center. However, my online account shows NOTHING about this reconsideration, even three months later. And now I can't even see my earnings statement online because it says I'm receiving benefits! I wish I could have delayed filing until this mess was sorted out, but I had already committed to retirement. Has anyone else dealt with a non-medical reconsideration for benefit calculation errors? Any idea how long this typically takes or what else I should be doing?

Something critical to understand: there are strict time limits on retroactive adjustments for benefit calculation errors. Under Social Security regulations, if your reconsideration is successful, they can only pay you retroactively for 12 months from the date you filed the reconsideration. I'd recommend sending a certified letter to both your local office AND the processing center (ask your local office for the address) stating that you're inquiring about the status of your reconsideration filed on [exact date]. Reference your claim number and explicitly state that you're concerned about potential retroactive payment limitations if the review isn't completed promptly. This creates a paper trail showing you've been actively pursuing resolution, which can be important if you later need to argue for extended retroactive payments.

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I had no idea about this 12-month limitation! Thank you for this crucial information. I'll definitely send those certified letters this week. Do you think I should also mention the specific dollar amount difference between what I'm receiving and what I believe I should be receiving based on the original estimates?

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Yes, absolutely include the specific dollar amounts! Be as precise as possible - "My PIA was originally calculated as $X on [date] as shown on my Social Security Statement, but was reduced to $Y when benefits were approved without processing center review." Include copies (never originals) of any statements or letters showing the higher amount. The more specific you are, the harder it is for them to dismiss your claim.

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I'm going through something very similar right now! Filed for retirement benefits in January and my PIA dropped significantly from what was shown on my annual statement. Like you, my online account showed "evaluated" and "approved" on the same day, which seemed suspicious. I've been waiting 2 months since filing my reconsideration and it's incredibly frustrating. Reading through all these responses has been really eye-opening - I had no idea about the SSA-795 form or the 12-month retroactive payment limitation that Sophie mentioned. The advice about keeping detailed records and getting congressional help if needed is something I'm definitely going to follow. It's reassuring to know others have successfully gotten through this process, even though it takes way longer than it should. Thanks for posting this - sometimes you feel like you're the only one dealing with SSA's mistakes, but clearly this is a widespread issue with their auto-adjudication system bypassing proper review.

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Can Social Security survivors benefits increase after FRA if I wait until 70 to claim?

I'm currently 62 and lost my husband last year. I'm trying to figure out the best strategy for claiming survivors benefits. I know my own retirement benefits increase if I wait until 70, but I'm confused about survivors benefits. Do survivor's benefits also grow if I wait past my full retirement age (66 and 10 months) to claim them? Or do they max out at my FRA? My financial advisor says one thing but the SSA rep I spoke with seemed to say something different. Has anyone dealt with this specific situation?

Call SSA and ask for a benefits comparrison calculation. They can run the numbers for all your options. Thats wat i did. and YES survivor benefits max out at FRA dont wait longer you'll just loose money!!!!

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Good suggestion! I'll definitely ask for that calculation. I need to see the actual numbers for my situation to make the best decision.

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I'm really sorry for your loss, Jamal. This is such a common source of confusion, and unfortunately even SSA reps sometimes give conflicting information. To be absolutely clear: survivor benefits do NOT increase after your full retirement age. They max out at your FRA (66 and 10 months in your case). This is completely different from your own retirement benefits, which do continue to grow 8% per year until age 70. Given that you're 62 now, you have two main strategies to consider: 1. Take reduced survivor benefits now (about 71.5% of full amount) and switch to your own retirement at 70 if it would be higher 2. Take your own reduced retirement now and switch to full survivor benefits at your FRA The key is figuring out which benefit will ultimately be higher. If your own benefit at 70 with delayed retirement credits would exceed the survivor benefit, option 1 is usually better. You can get your benefit estimates on ssa.gov/myaccount or by calling for that comparison calculation Giovanni mentioned. Don't let your financial advisor convince you to wait past FRA for survivor benefits - you'd just be leaving money on the table!

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When can I claim ex-spouse Social Security benefits at 60 with SSI disability?

I've been receiving SSI for about 3 years now since my disability wasn't enough for SSDI (didn't have the work credits). I'm 60 years old and got divorced in 2023 after 17 years of marriage. My ex-husband is 62 and still working - he's always made substantially more than I ever did. I'm struggling financially on just SSI and wondering when I'm eligible to apply for ex-spouse benefits on his Social Security record? Do I have to wait until I'm 62 or can I apply sooner because of my disability? Would it affect my current SSI payments? The SSA website has me completely confused about the rules for disabled divorced spouses.

One more technical detail - since your ex is 62 but still working, be aware that even if you become eligible for divorced spouse benefits at 62, the amount might be affected by the family maximum benefit (FMB) if your ex has other current dependents receiving benefits on his record (like a new spouse or minor children). This wouldn't reduce your benefit if he's not yet collecting, but it's something to be aware of for future planning.

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I hadn't even thought about that. As far as I know, he hasn't remarried and our children are all adults now. But I'll definitely ask about the family maximum when I speak with SSA. This whole system is so complicated!

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I'm new to this community but wanted to share what I learned when I was in a similar situation. The key thing to understand is that SSI disability and SSDI disability have completely different rules for spousal benefits. Since you're on SSI (not SSDI), you're treated more like a regular non-disabled person when it comes to spousal benefits - meaning you have to wait until 62. The good news is that even though your SSI will be reduced dollar-for-dollar (minus the $20 disregard), you'll likely still come out ahead financially. I'd recommend calling SSA and asking them to do a "what if" calculation for you so you know exactly what to expect at 62. Also, make sure to ask about any state supplements you might be eligible for - some states have programs that can help bridge the gap. Hang in there - two more years feels like forever when you're struggling, but you're almost there!

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