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Gemma Andrews

Social Security backdating retirement by 6 months denied - WEP/GPO confusion at 68

I just turned 68 and still haven't filed for Social Security benefits because of the whole WEP/GPO mess affecting my pension. Finally decided it's time to file, and I'd like to backdate my application by 6 months (which would be nice to get those missed payments!). When I called SSA, the representative immediately said backdating wasn't possible. They just told me to come into the office or file online. Looking at my numbers online, it seems like taking 50% of my husband's benefit would give me slightly more than filing on my own record (I only worked in SS-covered employment for about 10 years). Since I probably won't be filing on my own record, backdating seems to make financial sense. Does anyone know if backdating IS actually possible? The rep seemed in a hurry and I'm not sure they understood my situation. Is this something I should push for when I go to the office in person? The extra 6 months of payments would really help with some home repairs we've been putting off.

Pedro Sawyer

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Yes, you absolutely can backdate your retirement application, but only by 6 months maximum. This is standard SSA policy, so I'm surprised the rep told you it wasn't possible. When you go in person (which I recommend over applying online in your situation), specifically tell them you want to file for spousal benefits with a protective filing date of 6 months ago. Use the term "protective filing date" - that's the official language they understand. Since you're dealing with both WEP (Windfall Elimination Provision) and GPO (Government Pension Offset), it's especially important to speak with someone who understands these complex provisions. Make sure to bring documentation about your non-covered pension to the appointment.

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Gemma Andrews

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Thank you so much! I knew something wasn't right with what they told me. I'll use that exact terminology when I go in. Do I need to bring anything specific to support the backdating request or just my usual identification documents?

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Mae Bennett

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The rep you spoke to had NO IDEA what they were talking about! I went through this exact situation last year at 66. You can absolutely backdate up to 6 months for retirement benefits - it's literally written in their policy manual! The problem is that 75% of SSA phone reps are either new, undertrained, or just don't care. I had to call THREE TIMES before I got someone who knew the rules and could help me backdate my application. The system is completely broken!!

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same here! the first person i talked to said no backdating, second one said yes but only 3 months, third one finally got it right. they really need better training

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Melina Haruko

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I tried reaching SSA for 3 days straight about my disability review and kept getting disconnected after waiting for hours. Finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to an agent in about 15 minutes. They have a video showing how it works here: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJW3puU - might be worth trying if you need to call again about the backdating instead of going in person. Saved me loads of frustration!

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Gemma Andrews

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That's really helpful! The office near me is always packed and I'd rather handle this by phone if possible. I'll check out that service - anything to avoid sitting in that office for hours.

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I went through this exact process when I filed for spousal benefits last year. Here's what you need to know about backdating: 1. SSA can backdate retirement benefits up to 6 months (but never before FRA) 2. For spousal benefits while the worker is alive (which sounds like your case), the same 6-month rule applies 3. If you're filing as a widow(er), you can backdate up to 12 months Bring your marriage certificate, birth certificate, and photo ID to your appointment. Also bring any documentation about your non-covered pension to help them calculate the GPO reduction correctly. One more thing - make sure they calculate both ways (your own benefit with WEP vs. spousal with GPO) to ensure you get the higher amount. Sometimes they miss this comparison step.

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Melina Haruko

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do they automatically compare the amounts? i thought you had to specifically ask for both calculations or they just do whatever you applied for?

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They're supposed to compare automatically to give you the higher amount, but in practice, they often don't unless you specifically ask. That's why I recommend explicitly asking them to calculate both scenarios during your appointment. Always advocate for yourself - the difference could be significant especially with WEP/GPO complications.

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Reina Salazar

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I'm confused about your situation. Are you saying you get a pension that's not from Social Security covered work? Because WEP only affects your own SS benefit, not spousal benefits. But GPO can reduce spousal benefits by 2/3 of your non-SS pension amount. Have you calculated how much the GPO reduction would be? Sometimes your own reduced-by-WEP benefit is actually higher than your reduced-by-GPO spousal benefit. My husband worked for a state government for 25 years and we had to do all these calculations when he retired. It's so complicated!!

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Gemma Andrews

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Yes, I worked for a school district for 20 years (no SS taxes paid) and then had 10 years in the private sector where I did pay into SS. I've tried calculating everything but honestly got so confused with all the formulas. The online calculators don't seem to handle these special situations very well. That's partly why I want to just go with the spousal benefit - seems simpler even with the GPO reduction.

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Reina Salazar

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I totally understand getting confused! One thing I learned from my husband's situation - make sure to look at the actual dollar amounts after all reductions, not just the percentages. In some cases, even with WEP reducing your own benefit, it might still be more than the spousal benefit after GPO. But definitely pursue that backdating - six months of payments is significant money. And if the agent says no again, ask to speak with a technical expert or supervisor who knows the rules about protective filing dates.

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my mom just went through this! she turned 67 in january and didnt file until april but they let her backdate to november no problem. the trick is you HAVE to tell them you want to file with a protective filing date from 6 months ago. if you don't use those exact words they might not do it right.

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Gemma Andrews

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This is so helpful! I definitely wouldn't have known to use that specific phrase. Did your mom have to provide any reason for why she was backdating, or do they just allow it automatically if you request it correctly?

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nope she didnt need a reason! its just your right to backdate up to 6 months after full retirement age. they didn't even ask why.

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I had a whole big issue with Social Security last year about my retirement. First they said I couldn't do something, then they said I could, then the next person said something completely different. It was so frustrating! I ended up writing down the name of every person I talked to and what they told me, and bringing that list to my in-person appointment. I think that helped them take me more seriously. Anyway good luck with your back dating! I hope you get those 6 months of payments!

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Mae Bennett

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THIS!! 👆 Always document EVERYTHING with SSA. Names, dates, what was said. I've caught them in so many contradictions this way. The system is a mess and the only way to protect yourself is to keep detailed records of every interaction.

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Pedro Sawyer

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One more important thing about your specific situation - since you mentioned having only 10 years of Social Security covered employment, make sure you meet the minimum 40 credits (quarters) needed to qualify for retirement benefits on your own record. If you don't have 40 credits, then you can only receive spousal benefits, making the comparison moot. Also, when you go in for your appointment, specifically ask them to document in their notes that you requested backdating. And before you leave, ask for a copy of your application summary that shows the filing date they used. This provides documentation if there's any dispute later about your backdate request.

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Gemma Andrews

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Thank you for this additional advice! I do have exactly 40 credits from my 10 years of work (I made sure to work just enough to qualify). I'll definitely ask for the application summary before leaving - that wouldn't have occurred to me!

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Mae Bennett

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After I finally got my Social Security backdated last year, they messed up my Medicare enrollment and tried to charge me penalties even though I had employer coverage! Then took 4 months to fix that error. And don't even get me started on how they calculated my WEP reduction - they got it wrong TWICE before getting it right. Just be prepared for a long battle with multiple phone calls and office visits. The system is completely broken. Print out the exact SSA rules about backdating from their website and bring them with you. Sometimes you have to educate THEM about their own policies!!

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That sounds awful! Were you able to get everything fixed eventually? I'm about to start my application and all these horror stories are making me nervous!

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Mae Bennett

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Yes, it did eventually get fixed, but only because I was persistent and kept careful records of every conversation. My advice is to be polite but firm, learn the relevant policies, and don't assume they know what they're doing. And if one person tells you something that doesn't sound right, don't hesitate to call back and speak with someone else.

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Serene Snow

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I work at a local SSA field office and can confirm that backdating up to 6 months is absolutely allowed for retirement benefits - that phone rep gave you completely wrong information! This happens way too often unfortunately. When you come in, bring your marriage certificate, birth certificate, and documentation of your government pension amount. Ask specifically for a "protective filing date" of 6 months ago. Make sure they calculate BOTH your own benefit (reduced by WEP) AND spousal benefit (reduced by GPO) to see which is higher after all reductions are applied. One tip from the inside - if the first person you speak with seems unsure about WEP/GPO rules, politely ask to speak with someone who specializes in these provisions. Not all our staff gets regular training on these complex situations, but we do have specialists who handle them regularly. Good luck with your appointment! The backdated payments should help with those home repairs.

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Tyrone Hill

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This is incredibly helpful to hear from someone who actually works at SSA! It's so frustrating that the phone reps aren't properly trained on these basic policies. I really appreciate the insider tip about asking for a specialist if the first person seems unsure about WEP/GPO - I definitely wouldn't have known to do that. It gives me much more confidence going into my appointment knowing what to ask for and what documentation to bring. Thank you!

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Thank you so much for this insider perspective! It's really reassuring to hear from someone who actually works at SSA and can confirm what everyone else has been saying. I'm definitely going to ask for a WEP/GPO specialist right away - that tip alone could save me a lot of time and frustration. I've been putting this off for too long because the whole process seemed so overwhelming, but now I feel much more prepared. Really appreciate you taking the time to help!

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QuantumQuasar

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I'm so glad you found an actual SSA employee to confirm what everyone has been saying! As someone who went through the WEP/GPO maze myself two years ago, I can't stress enough how important it is to get the right person who understands these provisions. One additional thing I learned - when they're calculating your GPO reduction, make sure they're using the correct pension amount. They need your GROSS monthly pension before any deductions for health insurance, taxes, etc. I initially gave them my net amount and it threw off their whole calculation. Also, don't be surprised if your first appointment takes longer than usual. WEP/GPO cases require more documentation review and calculations than standard retirement applications. But that backdating will definitely be worth the extra time - six months of payments is substantial money at our age!

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