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I'm so sorry for your loss, Jacob. This is definitely one of the most difficult aspects of Social Security's survivor benefit rules. As others have mentioned, you're correct that remarrying before age 60 would end your eligibility for survivor benefits from your deceased wife. I know it feels frustrating to have your personal life decisions tied to government benefits, but the financial impact is significant enough that it's worth carefully considering your timing. At $2,250/month, you'd be giving up over $50,000 if you marry before turning 60. That said, I've seen couples in your situation handle this in different ways - some choose to have commitment ceremonies, domestic partnerships, or simply live together until the survivor reaches 60. Others decide the emotional and personal benefits of marriage outweigh the financial cost. There's no universally "right" answer. My suggestion would be to sit down with your partner and have an open conversation about the numbers and your options. Make sure they understand this isn't about your commitment to them, but about making a practical financial decision that affects both of your futures together. A good partner will want to help you make the choice that's best for your shared long-term security. Whatever you decide, definitely confirm the details with SSA directly before making any final decisions.

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This is exactly the kind of comprehensive advice I needed to hear. You've really helped me understand that this is a decision that affects both of us, not just me. I think having that frank conversation with my partner about the long-term financial implications is the key - presenting it as something we need to navigate together rather than just my problem. The idea that there are different ways couples handle this situation is comforting too. I'm leaning toward exploring the commitment ceremony route while we wait for my 60th birthday. Thank you for the thoughtful response and for acknowledging how difficult this whole situation is emotionally on top of the financial complexity.

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I'm a financial planner who has helped many clients navigate this exact situation. The age 60 rule for survivor benefits is unfortunately very rigid - there are no exceptions for "financial hardship" or other circumstances if you're a surviving spouse without minor/disabled children. Since you're 58 now, you're looking at potentially giving up around $54,000 over the next two years if you marry before 60. That's a substantial amount that could significantly impact your retirement security. I'd recommend doing a comprehensive financial analysis that includes: 1) Your current survivor benefit vs. what your own retirement benefit would be at different claiming ages, 2) Your partner's financial situation and ability to help offset the lost income, 3) Other sources of retirement income you both have. Many of my clients in similar situations have opted for commitment ceremonies or domestic partnerships while waiting. It allows them to make their commitment public and official in every way except legally. Some states also have domestic partner registrations that provide many of the same legal protections as marriage without affecting federal benefits. The key is having transparent conversations with your partner about the long-term financial impact on both of your retirements. This decision will affect your household income for decades to come.

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My friend was in a similar situation with an overseas pension from Canada and SS made him fill out some special form about it. I think they had to do some calculation with the exchange rate or something. Might want to ask specifically about that.

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I'm a newcomer here but wanted to share what I've learned from my own research on this topic. For your New Zealand KiwiSaver question (#3), you're right to ask about this specifically. The SSA does have special procedures for foreign pensions and retirement accounts. From what I understand, they typically want documentation showing the nature of the account (whether it's government-sponsored, employer-contributed, etc.) and may require you to provide statements or other proof of the account balance and withdrawal amounts. The key is that like domestic retirement accounts, distributions from KiwiSaver shouldn't count as "earned income" for Social Security earnings test purposes. However, there could be complexity around how the SSA views the employer contribution portion versus your own contributions, especially since KiwiSaver has that mandatory employer contribution component. I'd definitely recommend having documentation ready about the account structure when you speak with SSA directly. Also, don't forget to check if there are any tax treaty implications between the US and New Zealand for those distributions - that's separate from the SSA rules but still important for your overall planning.

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My situation was kinda similar but I was the younger spouse. The key thing is that your benefit at 62 is permanently reduced, but that doesn't prevent you from getting the difference if the spousal benefit would be higher. But if your own benefit is already higher than 50% of his, then there's no extra money to be had. The 35-year marriage definitely qualifies you though - the 10 year rule is only for divorced spouses.

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Thank you - that's helpful! I'm realizing based on everyone's responses that my own benefit is probably going to be higher than what I'd get as a spouse anyway.

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I've been following Social Security issues for years and this is unfortunately a very common problem - many SSA representatives aren't fully trained on the more complex spousal benefit rules. Based on what you've described, you should absolutely be eligible for an evaluation of whether you qualify for additional spousal benefits now that your husband has filed. The key point everyone has made is correct: filing early doesn't disqualify you from spousal benefits, it just means both your own benefit and any potential spousal benefit are reduced. SSA should automatically check your eligibility when your husband filed, but given their track record of errors, I'd recommend calling back and specifically requesting a "manual review of spousal benefit eligibility." Also, make sure to ask them to explain in writing (via mail) why you're not eligible if they deny you again. Sometimes having to document their reasoning forces them to double-check the rules. Don't give up - you've earned these benefits through decades of work and marriage!

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I wish I'd known that the survivor benefit from my husband might actually be higher than my own benefit. I didn't bring any of his information because I assumed mine would be higher since I was the higher earner. Turns out his delayed retirement credits would have given me a higher monthly amount! Had to make another appointment and delay everything by 3 weeks. Also I wasn't prepared for all the questions about my employer's pension and how it affects Social Security (WEP). If you have a pension from work where you didn't pay Social Security taxes, make sure to ask about that.

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This is an excellent point about survivor benefits. When a spouse passes away, the survivor is entitled to the higher of their own benefit or their deceased spouse's actual benefit amount (including any delayed retirement credits the deceased earned). So even if you were the higher earner during your careers, if your spouse delayed claiming past their FRA and earned DRCs before passing, their benefit with those increases might be higher than your own benefit. Regarding WEP (Windfall Elimination Provision), that's another important consideration for anyone who earned a pension from work not covered by Social Security taxes (like certain government jobs). It can significantly reduce your Social Security benefit.

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Great to see your successful update! As someone who's been helping people navigate Social Security for years, I wanted to add a few more tips for future applicants reading this thread: 1. **Direct deposit setup**: Make sure your bank account info is current and the account has been open for at least 30 days. SSA prefers established accounts to prevent fraud. 2. **Tax withholding decision**: Don't feel pressured to decide on tax withholding during your appointment. You can always change this later by filing Form W-4V or calling SSA. Many people underestimate the tax impact of Social Security benefits. 3. **Medicare coordination**: If you're working past 65 and have employer health insurance, make sure SSA understands your Medicare situation. Sometimes there are coordination issues that need to be addressed. 4. **Keep copies of everything**: Take photos of all documents you bring, and ask for a receipt showing what you submitted. The paper trail is invaluable if issues arise later. Your approach of taking partial retroactive benefits was smart - it's often the best compromise for people who've delayed past FRA. Congratulations on getting through the process!

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This is such helpful additional information, thank you! I wish I had known about the tax withholding flexibility - I ended up choosing 10% withholding during my appointment but wasn't really sure if that was the right amount. Good to know I can adjust it later if needed. Your point about keeping copies is so important too. I did take photos of everything on my phone, but I forgot to ask for a receipt. Hopefully that won't be an issue, but I'll remember that for any future interactions with SSA. For anyone else reading this who might be in a similar situation - this whole thread has been incredibly valuable. The Social Security process really doesn't have to be as scary as it seems, especially if you prepare ahead of time and bring the right documents!

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One more thing to consider: if you're still working, be aware of the earnings limit. For 2025, if you're under Full Retirement Age and collecting any Social Security benefits (including widow's benefits), your benefits will be reduced by $1 for every $2 you earn above $22,320. This isn't permanent though - when you reach Full Retirement Age, SSA will recalculate your benefit amount to give credit for the months they reduced or withheld benefits. So don't let this discourage you from applying, just be aware it might impact the amount you receive initially if you're working.

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I'm only working part-time at a grocery store making about $15,000 a year, so I should be under that limit. Thanks for mentioning it though - I had no idea there were earnings restrictions!

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Good news about your part-time income being under the earnings limit! That means you should be able to receive your full widow's benefit amount without any reductions due to work. Just wanted to add one more resource that might help: when you do get through to SSA, ask them to send you a copy of your husband's earnings record (Form SSA-7050). This will show his complete work history and help confirm whether he was receiving SSDI or SSI. It's free and can be very helpful for understanding your benefit options. Also, if you end up needing to visit a local office eventually, many people don't realize you can sometimes get seen for urgent financial hardship cases without waiting the full 3 months. When you call (or use that Claimyr service), mention that you're experiencing financial hardship as a widow - they sometimes have emergency appointment slots available. Wishing you the best of luck with your application!

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This is such valuable information! I had no idea about the Form SSA-7050 - that would definitely help me understand what my husband was actually receiving. And yes, I'm definitely going to mention the financial hardship when I call. I've been putting off some bills already and need to get this sorted out as soon as possible. Thank you for taking the time to share these additional resources!

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