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Thank you everyone for all this helpful information! I think I've decided to wait until at least 65 to claim benefits, for several reasons: 1. The earnings test would reduce my benefits significantly if I claim at 62 while still working part-time 2. The 29% higher monthly amount ($510 more per month) will add up substantially over time 3. The survivor benefit consideration for my wife is important - I want to make sure she's well taken care of 4. My family history suggests longevity, so the break-even point of 75-76 likely makes waiting worthwhile I'm going to try to speak with SSA directly to get personalized calculations before making the final decision. Thanks again for all your insights!
Smart decision, Mason! You've really thought this through carefully. One additional tip for when you call SSA - ask them to run scenarios showing your cumulative lifetime benefits under different claiming strategies. They can model what happens if you live to 80, 85, 90, etc. This really helps visualize the long-term impact. Also, since you're planning to work until 65 anyway, you might want to check if any of those earnings could increase your benefit calculation. Social Security uses your highest 35 years of earnings, so if you're earning more now than in some earlier years, those extra work years could actually boost your Primary Insurance Amount. The survivor benefit angle you mentioned is crucial - many couples overlook this. Your wife could potentially receive benefits for 20+ years after you're gone, so maximizing that amount protects her financial security for decades. Sounds like you've got a solid plan! The fact that you're thinking this through now rather than just taking the money and running shows you're approaching this strategically.
This is such valuable advice, especially about asking SSA to run those lifetime benefit scenarios! As someone new to navigating Social Security, I'm really impressed by how thoroughly Mason has researched this decision. The survivor benefit consideration is something I hadn't even thought about before reading this thread. One thing I'm curious about - when you mention checking if current earnings could boost the benefit calculation, how often does SSA recalculate benefits based on new earnings? Is this something that happens automatically or do you need to request it? Also, for those of us still years away from claiming, is there a recommended timeline for when to start seriously planning these strategies? This conversation has made me realize I should probably start thinking about this sooner rather than later!
Thanks everyone for all the helpful information! I think I understand how it works now: 1. The earnings limit applies from when I claim at 63 until I reach my FRA at 67 2. Only wages count, not other income like investments or rentals 3. If I go over the limit, they'll withhold some benefits 4. When I reach FRA, I'll get credit for those withheld benefits 5. After FRA, I can earn unlimited income with no penalty I'm going to carefully plan my work hours to stay under the limit for those 4 years. Really appreciate all the advice!
One thing I'd add that might help with planning - you can actually report your estimated earnings to SSA in advance using Form SSA-723 or by calling them. This way they can withhold benefits gradually throughout the year instead of stopping payments all at once after you file your tax return. I learned this after my first year of early retirement when I got hit with a surprise 4-month suspension. Now I submit my earnings estimate in January and they adjust my monthly payments accordingly. It's much easier to budget when you know exactly what you'll receive each month rather than getting surprised later. Also, keep detailed records of your earnings throughout the year - paystubs, work schedules, etc. If there are any discrepancies, having documentation makes resolving issues with SSA much smoother.
This is really helpful advice about Form SSA-723! I had no idea you could report your estimated earnings in advance. That would definitely be better than getting surprised with stopped payments later. Do you know if there's a penalty if your actual earnings end up being different from what you estimated, or do they just adjust accordingly? I'm thinking my part-time hours might vary throughout the year so I'm not sure how accurate my estimate would be.
Just wanted to share my experience as someone who recently went through this process. Your friend's situation sounds very similar to mine - I was widowed young and had to navigate the survivor benefits system at 60. A few things that really helped me: First, I'd strongly recommend she creates a my Social Security account online BEFORE applying. This lets her see her late husband's earnings record and get an estimate of what her survivor benefit would be. It also shows her own work history so she can compare benefits. Second, regarding the rental income concern - I also own rental property and was worried about this. The key distinction is whether you're a "real estate professional" under tax law. If she's spending less than 750 hours per year AND less than half her working time on rental activities, it stays passive income. Sounds like with only a few properties and using management companies, she's nowhere near that threshold. The application process itself was actually smoother than I expected once I got connected to SSA. I used that Claimyr service others mentioned after weeks of busy signals - worked exactly as described. The whole call took about 45 minutes and I had my first payment within 6 weeks. One thing I wish I'd known earlier - she can apply up to 4 months before her 60th birthday, so if she's turning 60 next month, she could potentially start the process now. The benefits can start the month she turns 60, but there's often processing time involved. Hope this helps your friend! Feel free to ask if you have other questions.
This is incredibly helpful, thank you so much for sharing your experience! It's reassuring to hear from someone who went through a similar situation successfully. I'll definitely tell my friend to create her my Social Security account right away - being able to see the actual numbers beforehand will help her make a more informed decision. The detail about the 750-hour threshold for real estate professional status is exactly what she needed to know. With just a few properties and using management companies for most of the work, she should be well under that limit. I'm also relieved to hear the application process went smoothly once you got connected. She's been so stressed about potentially getting denied or having complications. Knowing she can start the process before her birthday is great - I'll encourage her to begin soon rather than waiting. Thanks again for taking the time to share all these practical details. It really helps to hear from someone who's been through it!
I just want to echo what others have said about the rental income - it really should be fine as passive income in her situation. I'm a retired SSA employee and saw this issue come up frequently. The key is that she's not operating it as a trade or business where she's providing substantial services to tenants (like daily housekeeping, meals, etc.). One thing I'd add that I don't think anyone mentioned - when she does apply, make sure she brings certified copies of documents, not originals. SSA needs to see originals or certified copies, but you never want to mail or hand over your only copy of something like a death certificate or marriage certificate. Also, if she has any questions about her late husband's earnings record or whether he had enough credits to qualify her for benefits, she can request his earnings statement. Sometimes there are discrepancies or missing quarters that need to be corrected, and it's better to find out early in the process. The fact that she was married for a full year definitely meets the requirement - that's well above the 9-month minimum. Good luck to your friend!
I was in your exact situation two months ago with my 17-year-old daughter. After wasting days trying to get through on the phone, I tried that Claimyr service someone mentioned above. Got connected to an agent in about 20 minutes and had the whole application done in another 30. My daughter's first payment arrived about 3 weeks later. They backpaid from when I first got my benefits too!
I'm going through the exact same frustrating process right now! Just got my letter about potential benefits for my 15-year-old last week. The phone system is absolutely broken - I've tried calling multiple times and either get disconnected or the wait times are insane. One thing I learned from reading through all these comments is that I need to gather ALL the documents beforehand. I'm going to try the early morning call strategy on Wednesday that someone mentioned, and if that doesn't work, I'll show up at the local office before they open with a folding chair and every piece of paperwork I can think of. It's ridiculous that in 2025 we still have to jump through these hoops for something that should be straightforward. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - at least now I know I'm not alone in this nightmare!
You're definitely not alone! I'm new to this community but going through the exact same thing with my 16-year-old. It's so frustrating that something this important is made so difficult to access. I've been reading through all these comments and taking notes - the Wednesday/Thursday morning call strategy and showing up early with a folding chair seem like the most practical solutions. Good luck with your application! Hopefully we'll both get through this bureaucratic maze soon.
Ethan Moore
While your father's retirement benefits will be suspended during incarceration, it's important to know that some programs like SSI have different rules than regular Social Security retirement. With SSI, benefits can be suspended for up to 12 months before termination, but with traditional retirement benefits, they're just suspended and can be reinstated after release regardless of how long the incarceration lasts. Make sure you're applying for reinstatement as soon as possible after release. Also, if your father was receiving any other benefits like food stamps, housing assistance, etc., those all have different rules during incarceration. Each program requires separate notification for reinstatement.
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Nia Harris
•Actually thats not entirely right - even SS retirement DOES have limits if incarceration is for a FELONY and goes beyond certain timeframes. My friend's dad lost eligibility completely after a 7 year sentence related to financial crimes. There are exceptions!!!
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Sean O'Brien
Thanks everyone for the helpful responses. I feel much better prepared now. To summarize: his benefits will be suspended (not terminated), we need to get them reinstated right after release with proper documentation, and I should plan for 2-3 weeks without income after his release while SSA processes everything. I should also figure out how to handle his Medicare premiums while he's incarcerated. I'm going to look into getting power of attorney so I can help manage all this while he's inside.
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Logan Scott
•@Zara Shah That s'excellent advice about scheduling the appointment ahead of time! I ve'heard horror stories about people waiting 4-5 hours at SSA offices. Do you know if they can schedule the appointment while he s'still incarcerated, or do we need to wait until after his release? I m'wondering if having the appointment already set up for the day after release would make the whole process smoother.
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Justin Trejo
•@Logan Scott You can definitely schedule the appointment while he s'still incarcerated! I d'recommend calling SSA about 2-3 weeks before his expected release date. They typically book appointments 1-2 weeks out, so timing it right means you can have that appointment ready for the day after he gets out. Just make sure you have his Social Security number and basic info when you call. Having that appointment pre-scheduled will save you so much stress during an already overwhelming time.
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