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my cousin did somthing smart, he worked jan-oct full time then retired in nov and got 2 SS checks that yr becuz he didnt go over monthly limit for those 2 months even tho the yearly total was over
Your cousin used the first-year retirement rule correctly! In the calendar year you first retire, SSA will use a monthly test rather than annual if it benefits you. You get a full benefit for any month you earn under the monthly limit ($1,860 in 2025) AND don't perform substantial services in self-employment. This special rule only applies for that first calendar year of retirement.
Just wanted to add something important about working for your brother's landscaping business - make sure you're clear on whether you'll be classified as an employee or independent contractor. If you're doing regular landscaping work and he controls when/how you work, you're likely an employee even if it's family. This affects how your earnings count toward the limit and how taxes are handled. Also, since landscaping can be seasonal, you might want to plan your work schedule around the earnings limit - maybe work more hours in months when you're under the limit rather than spreading it evenly throughout the year.
Don't forget to track your earnings carefully throughout the year. SSA won't necessarily warn you when you're approaching the limit - they often just discover it when earnings are reported and then send you an overpayment notice later. I recommend creating a spreadsheet to monitor your monthly income against the limit, especially since you'll both have variable income from part-time and consulting work.
That's excellent advice. I'll definitely set up a tracking system. Do you know if they count gross earnings or net after business expenses for my wife's consulting work?
This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar situation - turning 65 next year and planning to work part-time. One thing I learned from my financial advisor is that you should also consider notifying SSA if your income changes significantly during the year. They have a form (SSA-723) where you can report estimated earnings, and they'll adjust your benefits accordingly instead of waiting until the end of the year and potentially creating an overpayment situation. It's much better to have them withhold benefits proactively than to owe money back later. The form is available online and can save you a lot of headaches!
Thanks for mentioning Form SSA-723! As someone new to all this Social Security stuff, I had no idea that form existed. It sounds like it could really help avoid the overpayment nightmare that others have mentioned here. Do you know how often you can update your estimated earnings with that form? Like if my wife's consulting work picks up more than expected mid-year, can we submit a revised estimate?
As someone new to this community, I'm incredibly grateful for how clearly everyone has explained this! The grace year rule is something I never would have understood from the SSA website alone. I wanted to share a resource that might help others - the SSA's Annual Statistical Supplement has historical earnings limit data that can be helpful for long-term planning. You can see how the limits have increased over time, which gives you a sense of what to expect for future years. Also, for anyone dealing with self-employment income during their grace year, remember that it's your *net* self-employment earnings that count toward the limit, not your gross receipts. So if you're doing consulting work, you can deduct legitimate business expenses before calculating whether you've exceeded the $1,925 monthly limit. Maya, your planning approach sounds perfect - staying under the monthly limits in 2025, then having more flexibility with the annual limit starting in 2026. The documentation suggestions from others here are spot-on too. I keep a simple monthly log and it's been invaluable for tracking everything clearly. This discussion has been more helpful than my last two visits to the local SSA office combined!
Welcome to the community, Diego! That's an excellent point about net vs gross earnings for self-employment - I hadn't thought about how business deductions could help stay under the monthly limit during the grace year. That could make a real difference for consultants and freelancers. Your tip about the SSA's Annual Statistical Supplement is really valuable too. As someone just starting to plan for this, having historical data to see trends in how the earnings limits change over time would definitely help with long-term planning. Do you know if they publish projections for future years, or is it just historical data? I'm also keeping a monthly log now based on all the great advice in this thread. It's amazing how much clearer this whole process becomes when you hear from people who have actually navigated it successfully. Thanks for sharing your insights!
As a newcomer to this community, I'm blown away by how helpful and detailed everyone's responses have been! This thread has cleared up so much confusion for me as someone who's also planning to start Social Security benefits before FRA. I wanted to add one point that might help others - if you're working with an employer during your grace year, it's worth having a conversation with HR or payroll about your situation. Some employers can be flexible about timing things like bonuses or overtime to help you stay under the monthly limit. Obviously this isn't always possible, but it's worth asking. Also, I've learned from reading other discussions that if you do end up owing money back to SSA due to excess earnings, they typically recover it by withholding future benefits rather than demanding immediate repayment. This can help with cash flow planning, though obviously it's better to stay under the limits in the first place. Maya, thanks for starting this discussion - it's been incredibly educational for those of us navigating this complex system! The clarity everyone has provided here is exactly what makes online communities so valuable.
Welcome to the community, Victoria! Your point about talking to HR/payroll is really smart - I hadn't considered that angle at all. Even small adjustments to when bonuses or overtime are paid could make a big difference in staying under that $1,925 monthly limit during the grace year. As someone also new here, I'm amazed at how much practical knowledge everyone has shared. The contrast between these real-world insights and trying to decipher the official SSA materials is incredible. This thread has honestly been like getting a masterclass in Social Security planning! Your note about SSA typically recovering overpayments through future benefit withholding rather than demanding immediate repayment is really helpful to know too. Obviously staying under the limits is ideal, but it's reassuring to understand how they handle these situations if mistakes happen. Maya definitely deserves credit for asking the right questions to get this amazing discussion started. This is exactly why community forums are so valuable for navigating complex government programs!
Just wanted to add another data point - I'm currently going through this exact situation! My SSDI converts to retirement benefits this coming July at my FRA, and I've been researching this extensively. Everything everyone has said is correct based on my conversations with SSA. One thing I learned that might be helpful: if you want to verify your projected spousal benefit amount ahead of time, you can create a my Social Security account online and use their benefit calculators. It will show you estimates for both your own retirement benefit and potential spousal benefits based on different scenarios. Also, since you mentioned the local office gave you confusing information - I've found that calling the national 1-800 number sometimes gets you representatives who are more knowledgeable about disability conversions than the local field offices. The conversion from SSDI to retirement is automatic and fairly routine, but not all local staff deal with it frequently enough to give clear explanations. Good luck with your planning! It sounds like you'll be in a much better financial position once your husband files.
Thank you for mentioning the my Social Security account - I actually haven't set one up yet but that sounds like a great way to double-check the numbers! I'll definitely create an account and run those calculators. And you're right about the national number potentially being better than local offices. The person I spoke with at my local office seemed uncertain about the disability conversion rules, which is what got me worried in the first place. It's so reassuring to hear from people who are going through or have been through this exact situation. Wishing you all the best with your conversion in July!
I wanted to share my experience since I went through this exact conversion about 18 months ago. The good news is that everyone here is right - your SSDI conversion to retirement benefits at FRA won't penalize your future spousal benefits at all. One thing I wish I had known beforehand: make sure to keep a copy of your original SSDI award letter and any annual COLA notices you've received. When I applied for spousal benefits after my husband filed, the SSA representative initially had trouble accessing my full disability history in their system. Having those documents made the process much smoother. Also, don't be surprised if your monthly payment date changes slightly when the conversion happens. Mine shifted by a few days because retirement benefits follow a different payment schedule than SSDI (based on birth date rather than when you first became entitled to disability). It's a minor thing but good to know for budgeting purposes. The automatic conversion really is seamless - you'll get a notice in the mail explaining the change, but your benefit amount stays exactly the same. Then when your husband files and you apply for spousal benefits, you should get that nice boost everyone mentioned. Best of luck with your planning!
This is incredibly helpful, especially the tip about keeping documentation! I never would have thought about the payment date potentially changing - that's the kind of detail that could catch someone off guard if they're not expecting it. I'm definitely going to dig up my original award letter and make sure I have copies of everything. It's so valuable hearing from people who have actually been through this process rather than just getting theoretical answers. Thank you for taking the time to share your experience!
Isabella Ferreira
This is such valuable information for anyone approaching FRA! I'm still a few years away from my full retirement age, but I've been trying to understand how the timing works. One question for those who have been through this process: When you applied online and selected your future start date, did you receive any interim communications from SSA between your application date and your chosen start month? I'm wondering if they send reminders or confirmations during that waiting period, or if you just wait until the start month arrives. Also, @Anastasia Romanov, have you considered using the SSA's benefit calculators to double-check those projected amounts? Sometimes the online estimates can vary slightly from the final calculated benefit, though usually not by much.
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Jungleboo Soletrain
•Great question about interim communications! When I was researching this for my own situation, I found that SSA typically doesn't send much between application and start date - you mainly get the initial confirmation letter showing your elected start month, then closer to your start date you'll get information about payment method setup if you haven't already done that online. And yes, I've been using the SSA benefit calculators extensively! The numbers I mentioned ($2,650 vs $2,725) came from their online calculator at ssa.gov/benefits/retirement/estimator.html. I've run the calculations multiple times with different start dates to make sure I understand the impact. The calculator seems pretty accurate based on what others have shared about their actual benefit amounts. It's smart that you're planning ahead even though you're still a few years out! Understanding how the DRC timing works is really helpful for maximizing benefits.
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Melissa Lin
I'm about 5 years away from my FRA but following this discussion closely since I want to maximize my benefits too. One thing I'm curious about - for those who have successfully done this (applied early but selected a later start date), did you notice any difference in how quickly SSA processed your application compared to people who applied with an immediate start date? I'm wondering if selecting a future start date might actually give you more time to resolve any potential issues with your application before benefits need to begin. Seems like it could be a smart strategy beyond just the financial benefits of earning those extra DRCs. Also, @Anastasia Romanov, I'd be interested to know if you've factored in the tax implications of the higher monthly amount versus receiving benefits sooner. Sometimes the total after-tax benefit over time can be different than the gross monthly comparison, especially depending on your other retirement income sources.
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