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Just to add some clarity on backpay: Since your disability onset was established at 8 months ago, and there's a 5-month waiting period, you should be eligible for approximately 3 months of backpay. This is typically processed separately from your ongoing monthly benefits. You might receive this as a lump sum or in installments depending on the total amount. It's a good idea to keep checking your MySocialSecurity account online for updates about both your regular payments and backpay status.

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and sometimes backpay comes before regular payments! thats what happened to me, got a big deposit outta nowhere and then started getting monthly payments like 3 weeks later

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When I got my approval letter last year, it took exactly 24 days from the date on the letter until I saw my first payment. I actually ended up calling SSA twice during that waiting period because I was worried something had gone wrong. If you need to call them, try early morning right when they open - around 7-8am depending on your time zone. Cuts down the wait time substantially.

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Excellent advice about calling early in the morning. The first hour they're open is typically when wait times are shortest. Also worth noting that Mondays and days after federal holidays are usually the busiest, so Tuesday-Thursday tends to be better for getting through.

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Xan Dae

my aunt switched from her own benefit to my uncles when he died and she got his FULL benefit no reductions. but she was already at full retirement age when she applied. age matters alot with this stuff

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WEP and GPO are the two WORST rules in social security!!! teachers and other public servants get totally screwed by these rules. call your congressperson and tell them to support the Social Security Fairness Act to repeal both these unfair penalties!!!

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You're so right about these rules being unfair to teachers. My sister taught elementary school for 22 years and her Social Security benefit is tiny because of WEP. I had no idea there was legislation to address this - we'll definitely contact our representatives.

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My sister had this exact problem last year and when she finally got through to someone at Social Security they told her it would be fixed "automatically" on the next payment but it wasn't! She had to call THREE more times! Just be persistent and keep calling until they fix it.

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That's what I'm afraid of - the endless loop of calls and promises that never materialize. Did they eventually retroactively correct the payment for her?

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Yes but it took until March! They gave her the difference as a separate payment. So frustrating!

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Just to add another important point - make sure you check both your AND your wife's benefits since you mentioned you're both on Medicare. Sometimes these errors can affect one account but not the other, especially if you enrolled at different times or have different IRMAA tiers. Also, if you do need to call SSA, have your Medicare card, recent Social Security statement, and the Medicare premium notice all ready before the call. The more prepared you are with documentation numbers, the faster they can help resolve the issue.

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Good advice - I just checked and you're right! My wife's account has the correct 2025 premium deduction but mine is still showing the 2024 amount. That makes it even more confusing since we're in the same household and IRMAA tier. I'll gather all our documentation before calling. Thanks!

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For the 9-month spend down period, it starts from when she actually RECEIVES each back payment installment. SSI back pay often comes in up to 3 installments if over $7,740 (for adults). Each installment has its own 9-month clock. Make sure she's tracking which installment is which. Also something no one mentioned - if she's paying YOU rent and you claim it as income on YOUR taxes, that could potentially affect HER benefits if SSA considers it in-kind support. The documentation everyone mentioned is critical to show this is a business arrangement, not family support.

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Oh, I hadn't even thought about the tax implications for me! That's a really good point. I should probably talk to a tax professional about how to handle this correctly. And I didn't know about the installments either - she was told she'd get the full amount at once. Is there an income or other threshold that determines if it comes in installments?

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To answer your question about installments: SSI back pay over $7,740 for adults is generally paid in up to three installments, six months apart. However, there are exceptions if the recipient has certain pressing needs or medical expenses. Regarding your question about rent agreements: SSA doesn't provide a specific form for rental agreements between family members. Any formal agreement that includes: - Names of both parties - Property address - Monthly payment amount - What the payment covers (rent/utilities/etc) - Signatures of both parties - Date Should be sufficient. Just make sure the amount is reasonable for your area and her portion of housing (typically 50% for shared housing with one other person). You mentioned $700 plus utilities as her half of $1400 rent - that's perfectly reasonable and should not raise any flags with SSA.

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Thank you for clarifying about the installments and the rental agreement details. This is all really helpful information. My sister has her review coming up in November, so we want to make sure everything is properly documented before then. We'll get the agreement in place before she makes her first payment.

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my neighbor says his son works for ssa and says all the good employees work at the field offices and they put the new people on the phones lol. not sure if thats true but made me laugh

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That's interesting! If true, it definitely makes me lean toward the in-person route. I'm skeptical of advice from someone trying to promote their own website too.

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One important thing to consider in your situation - since your husband is only 61, he'll be filing early (before FRA), which means a permanently reduced benefit. Make sure whoever helps you explains exactly how much the reduction will be and whether it makes financial sense given your overall situation. Sometimes it's better to live off savings for a while rather than lock in a reduced benefit for life, especially if he might find another job soon. This is exactly the kind of nuanced discussion that works better in person.

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You've convinced me - we're definitely going in person. I just scheduled an appointment for next Tuesday. I appreciate everyone's help!

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make sure ur calculating the spousal benefit right btw. its not just 'half his benefit' like most ppl think. if ur already getting ur own ss check the spousal just makes up the difference to get u to half of his. alot of times its way less than people expect

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Oh! I didn't realize that. I thought I'd just get half of his benefit amount on top of mine. So if my benefit is $1200 and his is $3000, I'd get $1500 total (half of his), not $2700 ($1200 + $1500)? That's a big difference!

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That's correct. At FRA, your spousal benefit would be the greater of your own benefit OR up to 50% of your husband's PIA (Primary Insurance Amount). You don't get both. In your example, you'd receive $1500 total, not $2700.

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My advice after 30+ years dealing with SSA: always be proactive. Their systems are backlogged and understaffed. I'd recommend both calling AND visiting your local office with marriage certificate in hand. For calling, try exactly at opening time (usually 7am) on Wednesdays or Thursdays when call volumes tend to be lower based on my experience. Don't count on them figuring things out automatically.

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Thanks for the specific tip about Wednesdays and Thursdays! I'll definitely try that. And you're right, being proactive makes sense. I'm going to try calling one more time and then just go to the office next week.

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by the way since you both just turned 65 make sure you signed up for medicare part b on time. theres big penalties if you miss the deadline and its not automatic for everyone

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Lim Wong

Yes, we did take care of Medicare enrollment right around our birthdays. The enrollment part wasn't too bad, but choosing between all the different supplemental plans and Part D options was overwhelming!

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To summarize what everyone has shared: 1. Withdrawals from 401k/IRA accounts will NOT reduce your monthly Social Security benefit amount 2. These withdrawals ARE considered income for determining how much of your Social Security becomes taxable 3. If your combined income (AGI + non-taxable interest + 1/2 of SS benefits) exceeds certain thresholds, up to 85% of your SS benefits could be subject to income tax 4. For 2025, those thresholds are: - 50% taxable when combined income exceeds $32,000 (married filing jointly) - 85% taxable when combined income exceeds $44,000 (married filing jointly) 5. Once you reach age 73, Required Minimum Distributions from traditional retirement accounts (not Roth) will be mandatory This is why many retirees benefit from tax planning that balances withdrawals across different account types to manage their tax liability effectively.

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Lim Wong

Thank you SO MUCH for this clear summary! This is exactly what I needed to understand. I think we'll set up an appointment with our accountant to make a withdrawal strategy that keeps us in the best tax situation possible. This community has been incredibly helpful!

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anybody know if military service counts extra for social security? i heard something about special credits but dont know if thats real

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Yes, military service can potentially provide special credits that boost your Social Security earnings record, especially for service during certain periods. It's a bit off-topic from the original question about calculating benefits after stopping work at 45, but if you served in the military, you should definitely look into these credits when calculating your own benefit.

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Thanks everyone for the helpful responses! I'm going to try the detailed calculator and also consider whether I might be able to do some part-time work to replace some of those zero years. It sounds like even modest earnings could help improve my benefit calculation significantly. I'm also going to try reaching out directly to SSA to get a more personalized estimate given my specific situation. Really appreciate all the insights!

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fyi you could put some of that money in an IRA to offset the income if ur worried about taxes. thats what my tax guy told me to do with my bonus last year

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Omar Zaki

Good suggestion, but there's a catch - IRA contributions can only be made from earned income (wages, self-employment income, etc.). Gambling winnings are considered unearned income, so they can't be directly contributed to an IRA. The original poster would need to have at least $27,500 in earned income from a job or self-employment to contribute that amount to an IRA.

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Update: I called SSA using that Claimyr service someone recommended (it actually worked!) and got through to an agent in about 20 minutes. She confirmed what most of you said - my regular SS retirement won't be affected since I'm past FRA, but I'll likely have to pay taxes on some of my benefits next year. She recommended I set aside about 20% of the winnings for potential taxes. Also warned me about the Medicare premium increase in 2027. Thanks everyone for your help!

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Glad you got definitive answers! Setting aside 20% is prudent planning. You might also want to consider making an estimated tax payment before the end of the year to avoid any potential underpayment penalties.

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Let me clarify a few points based on my experience as a disability advocate: 1. Your son's eligibility for Disabled Adult Child (DAC) benefits requires that his disability began before age 22, but benefits don't automatically start at any specific age. They can begin when the parent (your husband) starts receiving retirement benefits, becomes disabled, or passes away. 2. The amount your son can receive as a DAC is up to 50% of your husband's full retirement benefit (his PIA), regardless of when your husband claims. However, the Family Maximum Benefit (FMB) does come into play, especially with early retirement. 3. If your husband claims at 62, his personal benefit is reduced permanently (about 30% less than waiting until full retirement age). While this doesn't directly reduce your son's potential 50% of PIA, it does affect how the FMB calculations work. 4. Start the SSI application process for your son before he turns 18. Even if he doesn't qualify for SSI due to family income, this establishes his disability determination, which will be vital for future DAC benefits. The DAC benefit is valuable because it comes with Medicare after 24 months, regardless of your son's age, which is a significant advantage over many other options.

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Thank you for this detailed explanation! It's really helpful to understand how the PIA vs. FMB calculations work. I didn't realize that starting the SSI application process would be helpful even if he doesn't qualify right now. And I had no idea about the Medicare eligibility - that's incredibly important information for us. We'll definitely start the application process now.

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Just wanted to update that I called SSA this morning using that Claimyr service I mentioned, and I asked them specifically about this situation for my own planning. The agent confirmed that when a parent takes reduced retirement benefits, it doesn't directly reduce the disabled adult child's benefit percentage (still 50% of PIA), but it can affect how the family maximum is applied, which might result in slightly lower payments. The agent recommended scheduling an in-person appointment to get specific calculations for your situation.

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This is good advice. When I was helping my brother, we found that the calculations were so specific to individual circumstances that general advice wasn't enough. The in-person appointment made all the difference because they could run actual benefit calculations based on the exact earnings record.

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