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One important point for everyone following this discussion - while the Social Security Fairness Act would eliminate WEP/GPO for domestic public employees, international pension issues are typically governed by bilateral Social Security agreements (totalization agreements). These agreements are negotiated country-by-country and have their own unique provisions. If you have work history in multiple countries, it's essential to understand both the general WEP rules and the specific provisions of any applicable totalization agreement. These agreements help determine: 1. Whether you can combine work credits from both countries to qualify for benefits 2. How benefits are calculated when you have split work histories 3. Which country's benefits you're eligible to receive The US-UK agreement helps prevent double taxation and allows for totalizing credits, but it doesn't completely eliminate WEP reductions.
This is really helpful information, thank you. I think I need to specifically ask about the US-UK totalization agreement when I finally get through to someone at SSA. Do you know if there's a specific department or specialist at SSA that handles international cases?
When you call SSA, ask to speak with someone in the Office of International Operations (OIO). They handle cases involving foreign pensions and totalization agreements. You can also mention that your case involves the US-UK totalization agreement specifically - this should help them route you to the right specialist. I had a similar situation with a Canadian pension and it took three transfers, but I finally got someone who understood the international agreements. Don't give up!
I'm in a similar boat with a pension from Australia! Been dealing with WEP reductions for 3 years now and it's so frustrating. From what I've researched, the Social Security Fairness Act unfortunately won't help us with foreign pensions - it's really focused on US government workers like teachers and police officers who didn't pay into Social Security during their government service. The international pension situation is handled under totally different rules through those totalization agreements everyone's mentioning. I've been told by multiple people that we're basically stuck with WEP unless we can somehow get to 30 years of substantial US earnings (which seems impossible for most of us who worked abroad). @Andre Laurent thanks for mentioning the Office of International Operations - I didn't know there was a specific department for this! Going to try calling and asking for OIO directly instead of getting bounced around to regular customer service.
Thanks for sharing your experience with the Australian pension! It's somewhat comforting to know I'm not alone in this frustrating situation, though I wish none of us had to deal with it. The fact that we paid into both systems in good faith and now get penalized feels so unfair. I'm definitely going to try calling and specifically asking for the Office of International Operations like @Andre Laurent suggested. Hopefully they ll'have more specific knowledge about the US-UK agreement. Have you had any luck getting through to OIO yet, or are you still trying to reach them?
I'm dealing with something similar but with a pension from Canada. Been getting WEP reductions for about 5 years now and like you said, it's incredibly frustrating! The whole system seems designed to penalize people who worked internationally and contributed to multiple systems in good faith. I actually tried calling SSA last month asking specifically for the Office of International Operations after seeing it mentioned in some forums, and it did help! They were able to transfer me to someone who actually understood totalization agreements instead of just reading generic WEP information from a script. Still didn't get the answer I was hoping for (no magical loophole to eliminate my reduction), but at least I got clear information about my specific situation. @LilMama23 definitely try asking for OIO - even if the news isn't great, it's better to get accurate information from someone who knows international cases rather than getting the runaround from regular customer service. Good luck!
As someone who works with disability cases, I want to emphasize that your sister should definitely pursue this now rather than assuming she has to wait until 62. The disabled divorced spouse benefit is a real provision that many people (including some SSA representatives) aren't familiar with. Since both she and her ex-husband are receiving disability benefits, the calculation can be tricky, but she may be entitled to the difference between her current SSDI amount and 50% of her ex-husband's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) - not his reduced disability amount, but what his full retirement benefit would be at his full retirement age. When she calls, she should specifically mention she's asking about "disabled divorced spouse benefits under Section 202(b)(4) of the Social Security Act" - using that specific legal reference might help get her to someone who knows these rules. The fact that they were married 20 years and divorced 12 years ago puts her in a strong position eligibility-wise. Also, don't let one "no" discourage you - these cases sometimes require persistence and speaking with multiple representatives to find one who understands the specialized rules for disabled divorced spouses.
This is incredibly detailed and helpful information! Thank you for providing the specific legal reference - "Section 202(b)(4) of the Social Security Act." That's exactly the kind of specific language that should help her get to the right person who actually knows these specialized rules. I'm writing all of this down for her. The point about not giving up after one "no" is so important too - it sounds like persistence might be key here. Really appreciate you taking the time to explain the PIA calculation difference as well!
I just wanted to share my experience since I went through something very similar with my brother last year. He was 58, on SSDI for 4 years, and his ex-wife had just started receiving her own disability benefits. Initially, the SSA representative told him he'd have to wait until 62, but after we pushed back and specifically asked about disabled divorced spouse benefits, they connected us with a technical expert who confirmed he WAS eligible for additional benefits immediately. The key was getting to someone who actually understood these specialized rules. It took three phone calls and about 6 weeks to get it sorted out, but he ended up getting an additional $280/month retroactive to when his ex-wife first became eligible for benefits. Your sister's situation sounds even stronger since they were married for 20 years (vs my brother's 12 years). Definitely have her mention the specific legal provision that Zoey referenced - that really seemed to help get us to the right person. And don't give up if the first representative says no!
Wow, what an incredibly thorough and helpful discussion! As someone who's still several years away from retirement but starting to think about these issues, this thread has been absolutely invaluable. The calendar year rule really is the key insight here - it's so logical once explained but definitely not something I would have intuited on my own. I love how this community came together to not only answer the original question but provide so many practical resources and real-world tips. The recommendations for Claimyr, the SSA online tools, keeping detailed records, and having your Social Security statement ready when calling are all going into my retirement planning notes. It's clear that navigating Social Security requires both understanding the rules and having good strategies for actually getting reliable information from the system. Thanks to everyone who contributed their knowledge and experiences - this is exactly the kind of community support that makes these complex government programs more manageable for regular people!
I couldn't agree more! As another newcomer to Social Security planning, this entire discussion has been like a masterclass in retirement benefits. What started as a straightforward question about December earnings turned into such a comprehensive resource. The calendar year separation rule is definitely one of those "aha!" moments that makes everything click into place. And I'm so grateful for all the practical advice - especially about services like Claimyr and the importance of keeping good records. It's clear that understanding the rules is only half the battle; knowing how to actually navigate the SSA system effectively is just as important. This thread is going straight into my retirement planning folder. It's amazing how much you can learn from real people sharing their actual experiences versus trying to decode official government websites on your own. Thanks to everyone for creating such a valuable discussion!
This thread has been incredibly educational! As someone who's just starting to research Social Security benefits, I had no idea about the calendar year rule - it makes perfect sense once explained but definitely isn't intuitive. I'm curious about one thing though - does this same principle apply if someone starts benefits mid-year? For example, if someone starts collecting in June 2025, would their January-May 2025 earnings be subject to the earnings test, or only earnings from June onward? I assume it would be the full year since it's still the same calendar year, but want to make sure I understand correctly. Also, huge thanks to everyone who mentioned Claimyr and the SSA online tools - I'm definitely bookmarking those resources for when I get closer to retirement. The practical tips in this thread are worth their weight in gold!
This is such a common trap that catches people off guard! I went through something similar when my father passed and we had to liquidate some assets to settle the estate. The key thing I learned is that SSA actually does recognize that retirement account withdrawals for specific one-time purposes can be appealed. Since you have clear documentation showing the withdrawal went directly to necessary home repairs (not lifestyle expenses), you should have a decent chance with the appeal. Make sure to emphasize in your appeal letter that this was an extraordinary circumstance related to estate management, not a reflection of your ongoing income capacity. Also, if the house sale is still pending, include documentation showing it will be sold and the proceeds distributed per the will - this reinforces that it was truly a temporary situation. The $260/month increase is brutal when you're on SSDI, so definitely worth fighting!
That's really encouraging to hear from someone who's been through a similar situation! The estate management angle is a great point - I hadn't thought about framing it that way, but you're absolutely right that this was essentially forced estate administration rather than discretionary income. We do still have the house on the market (it's been slow going due to its rural location), so I can definitely include the listing agreement and documentation showing it's actively for sale. Your point about emphasizing this doesn't reflect our ongoing income capacity really resonates - our actual monthly income from SSDI hasn't changed at all, it's just this one-time blip from 2023 that's causing havoc in 2025. Thank you for sharing your experience, it gives me hope that the appeal might actually work!
I'm new to this community but dealing with a very similar situation! My spouse had to withdraw from their IRA last year to cover unexpected medical expenses for their elderly parent, and now I'm facing IRMAA increases on my Medicare Part B premiums. Like you, we never thought of this as "high income" - it was money that went directly to medical bills and eldercare costs. Reading through all the advice here has been incredibly helpful, especially learning about the different appeal options. It's frustrating how the system doesn't automatically account for these one-time necessary expenses versus actual lifestyle income increases. I'm going to follow the suggestions here and gather all my documentation for an appeal. Thank you for posting about this - it's reassuring to know we're not alone in dealing with these unexpected IRMAA penalties!
Welcome to the community! Your situation with the IRA withdrawal for eldercare expenses sounds very similar to what many of us are dealing with. Medical emergencies and family caregiving costs are exactly the kind of unexpected expenses that shouldn't be treated as "luxury income" by the IRMAA system. I'd definitely recommend following the same documentation approach others have suggested here - gather all your medical bills, eldercare invoices, and withdrawal records to show the money went directly to necessary expenses. The appeal process seems to work best when you can clearly demonstrate that the withdrawal was for essential needs, not discretionary spending. Keep us posted on how your appeal goes - having multiple success stories from this thread would really help other community members facing similar situations!
StarSurfer
Just wanted to add my recent experience - I applied for Social Security benefits in January 2025 for my July FRA, so about 6 months early. The system accepted my application without any issues and I received confirmation that it's being held for processing at the appropriate time. I know some people have mentioned concerns about applying too early, but the SSA representative I spoke with said they prefer having applications in the system early rather than rushing to process last-minute submissions. This gives them time to identify and resolve any potential issues before your benefit start date. My advice: don't stress too much about the exact timing as long as you're in that 3-6 month window. The most important thing is making sure all your information is accurate when you submit. Good luck with your application!
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Carmen Reyes
•That's reassuring to hear! I was worried about applying too early, but it sounds like 6 months worked out fine for you. I think I'll stick with my plan to apply in early May (4 months before September). It's good to know they'd rather have the application early and can hold it for processing rather than dealing with a rush of last-minute applications. Thanks for sharing your experience!
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Ana Rusula
I just went through this process myself last year! Applied exactly 4 months before my FRA in October 2024, and everything went smoothly. The online application took about 30 minutes to complete, and I received my first payment right on schedule. A few things that helped me: - I created a checklist of all my personal info beforehand (SSN, previous addresses for last 5 years, employer info, etc.) - Made sure my earnings record was accurate by reviewing it on mySocialSecurity first - Applied on a weekday morning when the system tends to be less busy - Kept screenshots of every confirmation page The 4-month timing worked perfectly - not too early to cause issues, but gave plenty of buffer time in case there were any problems to resolve. Since you're planning for September and your birthday is early in the month, I'd definitely recommend applying by early May. Better to have everything processed and ready than to stress about timing!
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