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I recently turned 63 and working through my Social Security options since my ex-husband passed away last year at 61. We were married for 22 years, divorced 8 years ago, and neither of us remarried. I'm currently employed full-time with my county government (have been for 15 years) and planning to work until I'm 70. With the 2023 rule changes for survivor benefits, I'm confused about my options. Can I claim survivor benefits based on my ex's record now while still working? Or do I have to wait until I retire at 70? I've heard conflicting things about the earnings test and how it might reduce benefits. My ex had a much higher earnings history than me, so his benefit would be significantly more than mine. Not sure if I should: 1) Apply for survivor benefits now while continuing to work 2) Wait until my FRA at 67 to avoid the earnings test 3) Wait until 70 when I plan to retire anyway I don't want to leave money on the table, but I'm confused by all the rules. Any advice appreciated!
I'm turning 64 this December and planning to file for my Social Security benefits starting January 2025. My Full Retirement Age is 67, but I'm not ready to stop working yet. My current job pays around $72,000/year, and I'm confused about how the earnings limit works if I'm collecting benefits early while still employed. Does the yearly earnings limit apply for all of 2025, or would the monthly limit apply since I'm just starting benefits in January? I've heard different things from friends - some say I should wait until I'm actually ready to reduce my hours, while others say I can use the monthly limit for the first year. The SSA website is so confusing on this! Also, if the yearly limit does apply, would I basically lose all my benefits for 2025 since I'll be way over the limit? Any advice would be really appreciated!
Thank you all for the helpful advice! After reading everything, I think my best option is to either wait until FRA or coordinate my Social Security filing with my reduced work hours through the phased retirement program. I'll probably use that Claimyr service to get through to SSA and discuss my specific situation. If I do the phased retirement starting in July 2025 (which would drop my income to about $43,000 for the year), would I still lose most of my benefits? Or would that lower income help with the earnings test?
With $43,000 annual income and a 2025 limit around $24,000, you'd be $19,000 over the limit. That means they'd withhold approximately $9,500 of your benefits ($1 for every $2 over). So if your monthly benefit is $2,000, you'd lose almost 5 months of benefits. You might want to ask your employer if you could start the phased retirement in January instead of July - that would make a significant difference in how much you'd lose to the earnings test.
Another thing to consider with your phased retirement timing - if you start the reduced hours in January 2025 instead of July, your total annual earnings would be much lower. Working 3 days a week for the full year would put you around $43,200 annually, but starting mid-year means you'd earn your full salary for 6 months PLUS the reduced amount for 6 months. I'd calculate it like this: $72,000/2 (Jan-June) + $21,600 (July-Dec at 3 days/week) = roughly $57,600 total for 2025. At that income level, you'd still be about $33,600 over the limit, meaning they'd withhold around $16,800 in benefits. Starting the phased retirement in January would save you over $7,000 in withheld benefits! Definitely worth asking HR if you can move up that timeline. The monthly test still probably wouldn't apply since you're staying with the same employer, but the lower annual earnings would make a huge difference.
I'm completely lost about what to do after my husband's unexpected passing. My husband (59) was approved for SSDI in January after applying in November. His payments were scheduled to start April 1st due to the 5-month waiting period, but he unexpectedly passed away at the end of January before receiving any payments. We have an adult son with disabilities who currently receives SSI (he's never been able to work). When I visited our local SSA office with my marriage certificate, they told me my husband's account was "locked" because of the pending disability claim and that I needed separate appointments for myself and my son. I have a phone appointment TODAY at 1pm for my son (lucky cancellation), and mine isn't until next month. The SSA rep mentioned I'd get a reduced survivor benefit at age 60 (my current age) but more if I waited. So many questions: 1) Will my son's benefits be based on SSDI or survivor benefits since my husband never actually received a payment? 2) Should I wait until after April to apply for either of us? 3) Are survivor benefits different from the SSDI he was approved for? 4) The rep said I could work and earn up to $23K without benefit reduction - is that accurate? I don't currently work since I care for my son. I'm just overwhelmed by all this while still grieving.
This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I'll ask specifically about the 'deemed SSI recipient' status at my appointment next month. I had no idea there were these protections in place. I've been so worried about him losing medical coverage during this transition.
I'm so sorry for your loss, and I understand how overwhelming this must be while you're grieving. Based on what you've shared, it sounds like you're getting some good guidance from the SSA representatives. One thing I'd suggest is asking specifically about the timeline for when your son's DAC benefits will start - sometimes there can be a delay in processing, and you'll want to know if there might be any gaps in his coverage. Also, when you have your appointment next month, make sure to ask about whether you're eligible for any retroactive benefits. Since your husband was approved for SSDI before he passed, there might be some considerations about benefit timing that could work in your favor. The fact that you're taking care of your son shows you're being a great advocate for him during this difficult time. Don't hesitate to ask for clarification on anything that doesn't make sense - you have every right to understand how these benefits work.
I reached my Full Retirement Age in April 2025 and applied to start my SS retirement benefits that same month. My birthday is on the 10th, so based on everything I've read, I was expecting my first deposit on the 3rd Wednesday of May (the 21st). However, I was surprised to see my first payment showed up on Friday, May 9th instead! I'm certainly not complaining about getting money earlier than expected, but I'm confused about why this happened. Is this normal for the first payment? Will all my future payments come on this earlier schedule, or will they switch to the 3rd Wednesday going forward? Just trying to plan my bill payments accordingly. Thanks for any insights!
Just as an FYI - make sure you're budgeting for your regular payment date going forward. I've seen people get caught off guard when their second payment comes on the regular schedule, which can be 2-3 weeks later than when they received their first payment. Especially if you're setting up automatic bill payments, plan around your regular schedule (third Wednesday for you) rather than the date of your first payment.
Why does my account say my payments will be paid on the 1st but the payment schedule says that according to my birthday it should be the third Wednesday of every month? I'm so confused by this
This sounds like you might be receiving a different type of Social Security benefit. The birthday-based schedule (2nd, 3rd, or 4th Wednesday) applies to retirement, disability, and survivor benefits that began after May 1997. However, if you're receiving SSI (Supplemental Security Income) or certain other benefits, those are typically paid on the 1st of each month. You might want to check what type of benefit is listed in your my Social Security account, or contact SSA to clarify which benefit you're receiving and confirm your correct payment schedule.
I'm trying to plan ahead for worst-case scenarios (I know, morbid but necessary). I'm 65 now and my husband is 68. He started collecting his Social Security when he was 62, so I know he's getting less than his full amount. My full retirement age is 67, but I haven't filed for any benefits yet. If my husband passes away, would I be eligible for 100% of what he's currently receiving as a survivor benefit? Or would it be a reduced amount since I'm under my FRA? I've heard different things from friends and family, and the SSA website is confusing me. Some pages seem to say survivors get 100% at FRA, others mention reduced benefits if you claim early. Would really appreciate if someone could explain how this would work in my situation. Thanks in advance.
I'm in the EXACT same boat except I'm 63 and hubby is 69 who took SS at 62. I talked to a financial advisor who said DO NOT claim any SS untl you speak to SSA directly because the rules are SO complicated for survivor benefits. Apparently there are several different calculation methods they use and which one applies depends on your specific situation, birth year, etc. And YES survivor benfits are often higher than what the spouse was actually getting if they claimed early! Crazy system!
This is good advice. The Social Security rules around survivor benefits are extremely complex, especially with the RIB-LIM calculation (which limits survivor benefits when the deceased claimed early). Everyone's situation is different, and small differences in circumstances can lead to completely different optimal strategies.
As someone who just went through this process with my mom after my dad passed, I wanted to add one important detail that might help. The SSA office visits can be really helpful, but make sure to bring ALL your documents - your husband's Social Security statement, your own earnings record, marriage certificate, etc. Also, ask them to show you the actual calculations on paper. When my mom went in, the first representative just gave her a rough estimate, but the second one actually walked through the math step by step. It made a huge difference in understanding her options. One thing that surprised us was that even though my dad had claimed early at 62, my mom's survivor benefit at her FRA was actually about 15% MORE than what he had been receiving monthly. The system is definitely confusing, but getting those specific numbers for your situation will help you make the best decision for your financial future.
CosmicCommander
Thank you everyone for the helpful replies! Based on your advice, I'm leaning toward waiting until my survivor benefit FRA (66 and 8 months) to avoid dealing with the earnings test complications. I'll definitely call SSA to get specific benefit estimates for my situation before making a final decision. It's frustrating how complicated they make this system, but I feel much better informed now. Will update once I make my decision!
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Just wanted to add one more consideration that might help with your decision - since you're working for county government, check if your pension has any coordination with Social Security benefits. Some government pensions can affect your Social Security benefits due to the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) or Government Pension Offset (GPO). The GPO specifically can reduce survivor benefits by 2/3 of your government pension amount, which could significantly impact your strategy. If you're subject to GPO, it might make more sense to maximize your own retirement benefit instead of relying on survivor benefits. Definitely mention this when you call SSA - they need to factor in your government employment when calculating your benefits. This could completely change which option is best for you!
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