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Thank you all for the helpful responses! I feel much better knowing that my actual SS benefit amount won't be reduced just because my husband is working. I'm going to look into having some taxes withheld using that W-4V form someone mentioned, and I'll definitely check if I might qualify for a higher spousal benefit when my husband claims in a couple years. I tried calling the SSA office yesterday but gave up after being on hold for 45 minutes. Might try that Claimyr service someone mentioned if I can't get through soon. Thanks again for all the advice!

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I'm glad I found this thread! I'm in a similar situation - I'm 67 and have been collecting Social Security for a year. I just got engaged and we're planning to marry next spring. My fiancé is 65 and still working part-time making about $30,000 a year. Reading through all these responses has been really helpful, especially learning that our benefits won't be directly reduced since we're both past full retirement age. The tax implications are definitely something I hadn't fully considered though. One question for those who have been through this - when you say "up to 85% of benefits may be taxable," does that mean 85% of the actual dollar amount gets added to your taxable income, or does it mean you pay 85% tax rate on the benefits? I want to make sure I understand this correctly when I talk to a tax professional. Also, has anyone had experience with getting help from their local SSA office versus calling the main number? Wondering if it's worth trying to visit in person rather than dealing with those long phone wait times.

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Welcome to the community! To clarify the tax question - when they say "up to 85% of benefits may be taxable," it means that up to 85% of your Social Security benefit dollars get added to your regular taxable income and taxed at your normal income tax rate. So if you receive $2,000/month in SS benefits, up to $1,700 of that could be counted as taxable income and taxed at whatever your regular tax bracket is (not an 85% tax rate). Regarding SSA offices - I've had mixed experiences with local offices. Some people have better luck in person, but many offices now require appointments and the wait times can still be long. You might want to call your local office first to see if they're taking walk-ins or if you need to schedule ahead. The phone system is frustrating, but sometimes calling right when they open (8am) gives you better odds of getting through. Congratulations on your engagement! It sounds like you're being smart to plan ahead for the tax implications.

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I'm so sorry for your loss. Going through this at 54 must be incredibly difficult, especially while trying to navigate all these benefit rules during such a painful time. From what I understand, you're unfortunately in that gap where you're too young for regular survivor benefits (which start at 60) but don't qualify for the earlier exceptions since you don't have young or disabled children in your care. The disability status of your late husband doesn't change the age requirements for you as the survivor. One thing you might want to explore is whether you could qualify for disabled widow benefits starting at age 50. The criteria are strict - you'd need to become disabled within 7 years of his death (or within 7 years of when mother's benefits would end if you had been receiving them). It's a long shot given that you're currently working full-time, but if your health situation changes, it could be worth investigating. Also, make sure when you do eventually apply for survivor benefits that you understand how it will interact with your own Social Security record. You'll want to run the numbers to see whether it makes more sense to take survivor benefits first and switch to your own later, or vice versa, depending on which would be higher. Hang in there - I know these next 6 years are going to be challenging financially and emotionally.

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Thank you for the thoughtful response and condolences. You're right that this timing is particularly difficult - both emotionally and practically. I hadn't considered the disabled widow benefits option, though like you said, it seems unlikely since I'm currently able to work without limitations. But it's good to know that's potentially available if my health changes in the coming years. The strategy about comparing my own Social Security record versus survivor benefits is something I definitely need to research more. I have a feeling this is going to require sitting down with someone who really understands all these calculations to figure out the optimal approach.

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I'm very sorry for your loss. Losing a spouse at such a young age while trying to navigate these complex benefit rules must be overwhelming. Just to clarify one important point that others have touched on - while your husband being on SSDI doesn't change the age requirements for you to receive survivor benefits, it does confirm that he had sufficient work credits for you to eventually be eligible. The fact that he was receiving $2,150/month in SSDI is also helpful information for estimating what your survivor benefit might be when you do become eligible. One thing I'd suggest is requesting a copy of his Social Security Statement (if you don't already have one) when you contact SSA. This will show his complete earnings history and can help you or a financial advisor calculate what your survivor benefit would be at different claiming ages (60 vs full retirement age). Also, while you're waiting until 60, don't forget to keep track of your own earnings and work credits. If your income has increased significantly since his disability began, your own Social Security benefit at retirement might end up being higher than the survivor benefit, giving you more options for when to claim each one. The six-year wait is tough, but having a clear understanding of your options will help you make the best financial decisions when the time comes.

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Thank you so much for this detailed information. Getting a copy of his Social Security Statement is a great idea - I honestly hadn't thought of that but it would really help me understand what to expect. You make a good point about my own earnings potentially being higher now. Since his health declined, I've had to take on more hours and even got a promotion last year to help cover his medical costs. It would be ironic if my own benefit ends up being better than the survivor benefit after all this stress about waiting until 60. I really appreciate everyone's advice here - it's helping me think more strategically about the next few years instead of just panicking about the immediate financial gap.

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I'm sorry for your loss. I went through something similar when my grandmother passed last year. One thing I learned is that you should also request a "Benefits Verification Letter" from SSA in addition to the 1099. This document shows the total annual benefits and can be helpful for your accountant when preparing the final returns, especially if there are any discrepancies. Also, keep detailed records of all communications with SSA - dates, times, representative names if you get them. The process can be slow and having a paper trail helps if you need to escalate or if documents get lost in the mail. I'd recommend sending any written requests via certified mail with return receipt requested. One more tip: if your mother had direct deposit, make sure the bank account remains open until you receive and cash any final benefit checks or refunds. Some trustees make the mistake of closing accounts too quickly, which can complicate the process.

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This is really thorough advice - thank you! I hadn't thought about requesting a Benefits Verification Letter, but that sounds like it could be really useful for the accountant. The tip about keeping the bank account open is particularly helpful since I was actually planning to close it soon. I'll definitely hold off on that until everything is sorted out. Really appreciate you sharing your experience with this process!

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I'm sorry for your loss. I went through this exact situation when my father passed away in 2023. Social Security will NOT automatically send the SSA-1099 once they've been notified of death - you absolutely need to request it as the trustee. Here's what worked for me: I submitted a written request along with certified copies of the death certificate and my letters of trustee authority. I mailed it to my local SSA field office rather than the national processing center, which seemed to speed things up. Include a cover letter explaining exactly what you need (the 2024 SSA-1099) and for what purpose (final tax returns). Make sure to request it soon - the IRS deadline for issuing 1099s is January 31st, but SSA sometimes needs extra time to process requests from estate representatives. If you wait too long, you might end up having to file for an extension on the tax returns. Also, keep copies of everything you send and use certified mail. The whole process took about 3 weeks for me, but having proper documentation from the start made it much smoother than what I've heard from others who tried to handle it over the phone.

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Thank you for sharing your detailed experience! The tip about mailing directly to the local field office instead of the national processing center is really valuable - I hadn't thought of that approach. Three weeks sounds much more reasonable than what some others have experienced. I'm going to prepare my written request with all the certified documents this week and send it certified mail like you suggested. Really appreciate the heads up about timing too - I definitely don't want to end up needing a tax extension if I can avoid it.

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I went through something similar when I was trying to understand my potential survivor benefits. One thing that really helped me was getting a copy of my husband's complete earnings record from SSA (Form SSA-7050-F4). When I compared that to what they were using in their calculations, I found they had missed some of his military service credits from the 1980s that should have been included. Also, make sure they're using the correct "date of death" assumption in their projections. I noticed SSA was calculating my survivor benefits assuming my husband would pass away this year, but his statement projections assumed he'd work until age 67. That difference in assumed work years can significantly impact the final benefit amount. The other thing to double-check is whether you have any of your own Social Security benefits that might be affecting the calculation. Sometimes they'll show you a "net" amount after considering spousal benefit coordination rather than the raw survivor benefit amount.

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This is such valuable advice! I never thought about requesting his complete earnings record to verify what they're using in their calculations. The point about military service credits is especially important - my husband did serve in the Navy in the early 90s. And you're absolutely right about the "date of death" assumption - that could definitely explain part of the discrepancy if they're assuming he passes away now versus working until FRA. I'm going to request Form SSA-7050-F4 and specifically ask them to clarify what death date and work assumptions they're using. Thank you!

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As someone who works with retirement planning, I want to add that there's another factor that might be contributing to your confusion: the difference between "what if" survivor estimates and actual survivor benefit calculations. When SSA runs a survivor benefit estimate while both spouses are still alive, they're making assumptions about work patterns, earnings, and timing that may not reflect reality. These estimates often use current law and wage bases, but they can't account for future changes or the exact circumstances that would exist at the time of actual filing. Also, if you're looking at online estimates or statements, make sure you're comparing apples to apples. Your husband's retirement benefit estimate at FRA might be showing his unreduced benefit, while your survivor estimate might already be factoring in early claiming penalties or other reductions based on your current age. One more thing to verify: ask SSA whether they're showing you the survivor benefit amount you'd receive if you claimed immediately, or if you waited until your own FRA. The timing of when you claim survivor benefits can significantly impact the amount, and this might explain some of the discrepancy you're seeing.

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This is an excellent point about comparing "apples to apples"! I just realized I might be looking at his FRA estimate while my survivor estimate could be based on claiming at my current age (62). That timing difference alone could account for a significant portion of the 21% gap I'm seeing. I'm going to ask SSA to run both scenarios - what I'd get if I claimed survivor benefits now versus waiting until my FRA - so I can make a proper comparison. Thank you for helping me think through this more systematically!

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I want to clarify something important: Your first month of entitlement (April in your case) is the first month you're eligible for benefits. The actual payment for April will come in May. Here's what I recommend based on my experience: 1. Work until your birthday (April 28th) 2. Make sure your April earnings stay under the monthly limit (around $2,000/month in 2025) 3. Have savings to cover expenses from your last paycheck until late May 4. Apply for benefits 3-4 months before April (so December 2024/January 2025) This approach minimizes your income gap while ensuring you don't lose benefits due to excess earnings. And applying early gives SSA time to process everything so your May payment isn't delayed.

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This is perfect! I'll apply in December 2024, work until my birthday staying under the earnings limit, and prepare for a gap until the May payment. Thank you so much for breaking it down so clearly!

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Just wanted to add one more tip that helped me - consider setting up direct deposit for your Social Security benefits BEFORE your first payment is due. You can do this online at ssa.gov or when you apply. This ensures your May payment goes straight into your account without any additional delays from waiting for a paper check to arrive in the mail. Also, if you have a credit union or bank that offers short-term emergency loans to members, it might be worth asking about that option to cover the gap. Some financial institutions have special programs for retirees in exactly this situation.

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Great advice about direct deposit! I hadn't even thought about that potential delay. And the credit union idea is smart too - I'll check if mine has any programs for this situation. It's reassuring to know there are ways to minimize the hassle even if you can't completely eliminate the gap.

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