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I went through something very similar when I was 63! The confusion around what counts as "earned income" for Social Security purposes is really common. Everyone here is absolutely right - annuity payments are considered unearned income and won't affect your Social Security benefits at all. The earnings limit only applies to wages from employment or net self-employment income. Since you're just 2 months away from your FRA, you're almost home free anyway! At that point, the earnings test disappears completely and you can have unlimited income from any source without any benefit reductions. One thing I'd suggest is keeping good records of your annuity payments for tax purposes, even though they don't count toward the earnings limit. As someone else mentioned, they could affect the taxability of your Social Security benefits depending on your total income. But that's a separate issue from the earnings test you were worried about. Hang in there - you're so close to FRA and then all these worries will be behind you!
This is so reassuring to hear from everyone who's been through this! I was really losing sleep over potentially losing benefits right before hitting FRA. The whole system seems unnecessarily complicated - they should make it clearer what counts as "earned" vs "unearned" income. Thanks for the encouragement about keeping good records too. I definitely want to stay organized for tax season. Can't wait for those 2 months to pass!
I just wanted to chime in as someone who works in retirement planning - everyone here is absolutely correct that annuity payments do NOT count toward the Social Security earnings limit. The confusion is totally understandable because the SSA's terminology around "earned" vs "unearned" income isn't always crystal clear. The earnings test specifically targets income from active work - W-2 wages, 1099-NEC payments, or net self-employment earnings. Your annuity is considered "unearned income" along with things like pensions, IRA distributions, investment dividends, rental income, etc. None of these affect your Social Security benefits under the earnings test. Since you're only 2 months from FRA, you're practically in the clear anyway! At that point, you could literally win the lottery and it wouldn't impact your SS benefits. The earnings test completely disappears at full retirement age. One small tip: when you do call SSA (whether through regular channels or that Claimyr service someone mentioned), have your annuity contract handy. Sometimes it helps to clarify exactly what type of annuity you have (immediate vs deferred, etc.) just to be thorough, though the answer will be the same regardless. Congratulations on being so close to FRA - you've made it through the trickiest part of the earnings test rules!
Thank you so much for the professional perspective! It's really reassuring to hear from someone in retirement planning. You're absolutely right about the terminology being confusing - I wish SSA would just use plain language about what counts and what doesn't. I'll definitely have my annuity contract ready when I do finally get through to them. Thanks for the congratulations too - these last two months before FRA can't go by fast enough! It'll be such a relief to not have to worry about any of these earnings limits anymore.
I'm in a similar situation but just starting this process - my husband was also a federal employee who passed from work-related injuries. I'm not yet at the age to collect survivor benefits, but reading through all these responses is really eye-opening about how complicated the interaction between Workers' Comp and Social Security can be. It sounds like the key takeaways are: 1) Survivor benefits don't automatically convert to retirement benefits at any age, 2) The Workers' Comp offset calculation method changes at retirement eligibility age (not the benefits themselves), and 3) Getting everything in writing from both SSA and OWCP is crucial because phone representatives often give inconsistent information. Thank you everyone for sharing your experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world insight that's so hard to find elsewhere. I'm going to save this thread to reference when I get closer to filing for my benefits.
I'm so sorry for your loss. Going through this process while grieving is incredibly difficult. You've summarized the key points perfectly - those three takeaways are exactly what I wish someone had told me from the beginning! One additional tip from my experience: when you do start the process, try to get appointments rather than relying on phone calls. The in-person meetings at both SSA and with Workers' Comp tend to be more thorough and you can ask them to print out information on the spot. Also, don't hesitate to ask for supervisors if the first person you talk to seems uncertain - I learned this the hard way after getting conflicting information multiple times. This community has been such a lifesaver for navigating all these complicated rules. Wishing you strength as you work through this process when the time comes.
I'm going through something very similar and wanted to share what I learned after months of confusion. The Workers' Comp representative was technically correct but using confusing language - the offset calculation DOES change at 62, but your survivor benefits themselves don't convert to anything else. Here's what actually happens: At 62, you become eligible for your own Social Security retirement benefits. Even if you don't apply for them, OWCP has to factor that eligibility into their offset calculation. This is what they mean by "collect retirement on his record" - they're not talking about survivor benefits converting, but rather how they calculate the offset amount. The $2,143.65 monthly deduction you're seeing now might decrease (or increase) at 62 depending on what your own retirement benefit would be versus your current survivor benefit amount. OWCP uses a complex formula that considers the higher of the two benefits you're eligible for. My advice: Request a written projection from OWCP showing exactly how your offset will change at 62, and get a benefit estimate from SSA for your own retirement benefits. Don't let them give you verbal explanations - insist on documentation. The terminology they use makes everything sound more complicated than it needs to be. You're absolutely right to plan ahead for this - understanding these changes in advance will help you budget properly and make informed decisions about your benefits.
I work in HR and see this confusion a lot! Just to add some context - when you see taxes being withheld from your paycheck, that money goes to the IRS immediately, but the REPORTING of your wages to SSA happens on a different timeline. Think of it like this: the government gets your tax money right away, but the paperwork about how much you earned gets filed later in batches. That $646 could be from your employer's first quarterly report, or even from a small 1099 job if you did any freelance work. The key thing is that your employer's year-end W-2 will have your complete 2024 earnings, and THAT'S what ultimately gets used for your Social Security record. The partial amounts you see during the year are just snapshots, not the final picture.
This makes so much sense - thank you for explaining it in such simple terms! I was getting confused about why my paychecks show SS taxes being taken out but the SSA website wasn't reflecting my actual earnings. The batching/snapshot explanation really helps me understand what's happening. I feel much better about this now!
I'm dealing with something similar! My MySocialSecurity account was showing $0 for 2024 until about two weeks ago, and now it's showing $1,847. I've actually earned around $18,000 so far this year, so like you, I was initially worried. But after reading through everyone's responses here, it sounds like this partial reporting is completely normal. I did some digging and found out my employer files their quarterly reports electronically, but apparently even electronic submissions can take 6-8 weeks to show up in the SSA system. The $1,847 probably represents wages from my first quarter that finally got processed. It's frustrating not seeing real-time data, but I'm going to follow the advice here and just wait for the full year to process through after tax season next year.
Great advice from everyone here! Just wanted to add one more tip - when you do meet with SSA next week, bring documentation showing your last day of work (like a letter from HR or your final paystub). This can help speed up the process and avoid any confusion later. Also, if you're planning to do any freelance or consulting work in the future, make sure to ask about how that would affect your benefits so you're prepared. Good luck with your retirement!
That's really smart advice about bringing documentation! I hadn't thought about getting something in writing from my employer about my last day. And you're right about the consulting work question - even though I don't have immediate plans for that, it's good to understand the rules just in case. Thanks for the helpful tips!
One thing I'd add is to make sure you understand the difference between the monthly and annual earnings tests for your first year of retirement. Since you're stopping work in February and starting benefits in April, the monthly test will protect you even if your January-February earnings were substantial. But it's also worth noting that once you reach full retirement age (probably 67), there's no earnings limit at all - you can work as much as you want without any benefit reduction. The permanent early retirement reduction you'll get at 63 is separate from the temporary earnings test reductions. Sounds like you've got good advice here about documenting your work stoppage with SSA!
Michael Green
I'm in a very similar situation - turning 65 next month and planning to work until 67 with good employer coverage. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been incredibly helpful! One question I have: when you apply for Medicare Part A initially, do they ask why you're not enrolling in Part B, or do you just simply not check that box on the application? I want to make sure I handle the initial application correctly to avoid any confusion later. Also, has anyone had experience with how this affects your Medicare Summary Notice (MSN) - do you still receive those with just Part A coverage? I'm trying to understand all the administrative aspects before I start this process. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world advice you can't find in the official Medicare handbooks!
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Keisha Thompson
•Great questions! When I applied for Medicare Part A only, the online application did ask why I was declining Part B, and I selected "I have coverage through current employment" from the dropdown options. They also had a text box where I could add additional details, so I wrote something like "Declining Part B due to creditable employer group health coverage, will enroll during Special Enrollment Period when employment ends." As for the Medicare Summary Notice, yes you do still receive them with Part A only - they just show your Part A claims (hospital services) rather than Part B claims. The MSN comes quarterly if you have claims, or annually if you don't have any claims to report. It's actually kind of nice to see the Part A coverage working and get familiar with how Medicare documentation works before you eventually add Part B later. One tip: keep those MSNs in a file because they can be helpful documentation of your Medicare history if you ever need to prove your enrollment timeline to anyone.
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Malik Davis
I'm a Medicare enrollment specialist and wanted to add some clarity to this excellent discussion. Your two-step approach is definitely feasible, but here are some key points to ensure success: 1. **Initial Medicare Application**: When applying for Part A only, you'll complete Form CMS-40B. You can decline Part B by checking the appropriate box and selecting "I have group health plan coverage" as your reason. 2. **Documentation**: Get Form CMS-L564 completed by your employer NOW, even before you apply. This creates a paper trail showing your employer coverage was in effect when you declined Part B. 3. **Special Enrollment Rights**: Since you're declining Part B due to active employment, you'll have an 8-month Special Enrollment Period that begins the month after your employment OR group coverage ends (whichever comes first). 4. **Social Security Application Strategy**: When you apply for SS benefits later, bring copies of: your Medicare card showing Part A only, your completed CMS-L564, and a letter from your employer confirming your current group coverage. This documentation package will make it much easier for the SS representative to understand your situation. 5. **Pro tip**: Consider calling 1-800-MEDICARE about 2-3 weeks before your SS application to put a note in your Medicare file explaining your Part A-only status and intention to maintain it until employment ends. This approach works well when properly documented from the start!
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Adriana Cohn
•This is incredibly helpful information from a professional perspective! I really appreciate you taking the time to break down the specific forms and timeline. The tip about calling 1-800-MEDICARE to put a note in my file beforehand is brilliant - I never would have thought of that proactive step. It sounds like having that documentation package ready when I apply for Social Security will be key to avoiding the automatic Part B enrollment issues that others have mentioned. One quick question: when you say the Special Enrollment Period begins when employment OR group coverage ends, is there ever a situation where those might be different dates? I'm planning to retire and lose my employer coverage at the same time, but I want to make sure I understand the nuances. Thank you so much for sharing your professional expertise - this gives me a lot more confidence in moving forward with this approach!
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