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Can I apply for Medicare Part A only first, then Social Security later to avoid automatic Part B enrollment?

I'm turning 65 in three months but still have good health insurance through my employer where I'll keep working until 67. I want to apply for Medicare Part A now (since it's free) but NOT Part B (since I don't need double coverage and don't want to pay for it). Here's my concern: I've read that when you start Social Security benefits, you're automatically enrolled in Medicare Part B. I was planning to start my Social Security retirement benefits at 66 (my FRA is 66 and 8 months), but I'm worried about this automatic Part B enrollment. Would it work if I apply for Medicare Part A only first, get my Medicare card, and THEN apply for Social Security benefits later? Has anyone done this two-step approach successfully? I really don't want to deal with the hassle of trying to disenroll from Part B after they automatically sign me up for it. Thanks for any advice!

Thanks everyone for all the helpful advice! From what I'm gathering, my two-step approach could work, but I need to: 1. Get the right forms (CMS-L564 from my employer and possibly CMS-1763) when initially declining Part B 2. Keep documentation of everything 3. Be prepared to act quickly if they still try to automatically enroll me in Part B when I apply for Social Security I think I'll go ahead with applying for just Medicare Part A now, and then I'll apply for Social Security in person at my local office next year rather than doing it online. That way I can make it very clear I want to maintain my Part A only status. I appreciate all the shared experiences - it really helps to know what to expect!

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That sounds like a solid plan. One more tip: when you go to the Social Security office for your retirement application, bring a copy of your Medicare card showing Part A only. This gives the claims representative a clear visual reminder of your current Medicare status and makes it easier for them to understand what you're trying to maintain.

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Just wanted to add one more consideration from my experience - make sure to check if your employer health plan is considered "creditable coverage" for Medicare purposes. Most employer plans are, but it's worth confirming with your HR department. You'll need this documentation not just for declining Part B now, but also later when you do want to enroll during your Special Enrollment Period after you retire. Having that creditable coverage letter from your employer will protect you from late enrollment penalties when you eventually do sign up for Part B. Also, don't forget that you have 8 months after your employment/group coverage ends to enroll in Part B without penalties, so there's no rush once you do retire at 67.

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Social Security earnings limit question: Do annuity payments count against SS income limit before FRA?

I'm really confused about what counts toward the SS earnings limit. I'm currently 63 and started collecting Social Security early at 62 (I know, probably should have waited). I've got an annuity that will start paying out soon, and the yearly distribution will be around $19,500, which seems pretty close to the annual earnings limit for SS recipients under FRA. My full retirement age is in about 2 months, but I'm worried about triggering the earnings test and having my benefits reduced. Does anyone know if annuity income counts as "earned income" for the Social Security earnings limit? Or is it only wages from actual work that count? I've tried calling SSA three times but keep getting disconnected after waiting forever.

Just wanted to add my experience for anyone else dealing with this - I was in a similar situation last year at 64 with both an annuity and Social Security. Can confirm that annuity payments absolutely do NOT count toward the earnings limit. I was getting about $18,000 annually from my annuity and never had any issues with my SS benefits being reduced. The key thing to remember is that the earnings test only applies to "earned income" from actual work - wages, self-employment income, etc. Passive income like annuities, pensions, investment returns, and other retirement accounts don't count. Since you're so close to FRA, you're almost in the clear anyway! Once you hit that magic birthday, you can earn unlimited amounts from any source without worrying about benefit reductions.

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I just wanted to chime in as someone who works in retirement planning - everyone here is absolutely correct that annuity payments do NOT count toward the Social Security earnings limit. The confusion is totally understandable because the SSA's terminology around "earned" vs "unearned" income isn't always crystal clear. The earnings test specifically targets income from active work - W-2 wages, 1099-NEC payments, or net self-employment earnings. Your annuity is considered "unearned income" along with things like pensions, IRA distributions, investment dividends, rental income, etc. None of these affect your Social Security benefits under the earnings test. Since you're only 2 months from FRA, you're practically in the clear anyway! At that point, you could literally win the lottery and it wouldn't impact your SS benefits. The earnings test completely disappears at full retirement age. One small tip: when you do call SSA (whether through regular channels or that Claimyr service someone mentioned), have your annuity contract handy. Sometimes it helps to clarify exactly what type of annuity you have (immediate vs deferred, etc.) just to be thorough, though the answer will be the same regardless. Congratulations on being so close to FRA - you've made it through the trickiest part of the earnings test rules!

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Thank you so much for the professional perspective! It's really reassuring to hear from someone in retirement planning. You're absolutely right about the terminology being confusing - I wish SSA would just use plain language about what counts and what doesn't. I'll definitely have my annuity contract ready when I do finally get through to them. Thanks for the congratulations too - these last two months before FRA can't go by fast enough! It'll be such a relief to not have to worry about any of these earnings limits anymore.

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Social Security survivor benefits vs retirement benefits with Federal Workers' Comp offset - what happens at 62?

I'm trying to understand how my benefits will change in the future. I'm 60 and just started receiving SS survivor benefits this past August after my husband passed away from injuries sustained while working for the federal government 3 years ago. I'm currently receiving Federal Workers' Compensation benefits, but they're deducting $2,143.65 monthly for what they call a "SSA/FERS offset." When I called to ask about this substantial deduction, the representative said it would stop once I "collect retirement on his record" but wouldn't elaborate further. I've tried calling multiple times but keep getting different answers or long hold times. Does anyone know if survivor benefits automatically convert to retirement benefits when I turn 62? Or do I need to apply for something different? I want to make sure I'm making the right financial decisions, especially with these complicated offset rules. The WC benefit is important for my monthly budget, and I need to understand how these benefits will change over time.

My aunt went thru something similar with federal workers comp after my uncle died. The WC people kept talking about "retirement age" but what they really meant was that the CALCULATION for the offset changes, not that your benefits automatically switch to something else. Its super confusing and the WC people dont explain it very well!!! Your survivor benefits keep going as long as you dont remarry (at least that was true for my aunt).

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That's good to know about the calculation changing rather than the benefits switching! And yes, I was told the same about remarriage affecting survivor benefits. I wish they would explain these things more clearly upfront.

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I'm in a similar situation but just starting this process - my husband was also a federal employee who passed from work-related injuries. I'm not yet at the age to collect survivor benefits, but reading through all these responses is really eye-opening about how complicated the interaction between Workers' Comp and Social Security can be. It sounds like the key takeaways are: 1) Survivor benefits don't automatically convert to retirement benefits at any age, 2) The Workers' Comp offset calculation method changes at retirement eligibility age (not the benefits themselves), and 3) Getting everything in writing from both SSA and OWCP is crucial because phone representatives often give inconsistent information. Thank you everyone for sharing your experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world insight that's so hard to find elsewhere. I'm going to save this thread to reference when I get closer to filing for my benefits.

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Social Security earnings record showing wrong 2024 income amount - when does SSA update?

I'm really confused about my Social Security earnings record. I checked my MySocialSecurity account last week and there was nothing showing for 2024 yet. Today I logged in and suddenly it's showing $646 for 2024 earnings?! That's WAY off - I've earned over $25,000 so far this year at my full-time job. Is this normal? When do they typically update the earnings records for the current year? I'm worried because if they're getting my income wrong, it could affect my future benefit amount. Should I just wait until the end of April to see if it gets fixed automatically? Has anyone else noticed weird partial earnings showing up on their record? Not sure where this random $646 figure is coming from...

I see a lot of confusion in this thread about earnings records. To clarify: 1) Employers report wages to SSA quarterly 2) Processing takes time, especially for paper filings 3) The MySocialSecurity portal updates irregularly 4) Complete 2024 earnings won't finalize until mid-2025 5) Small amounts like $646 are typically partial reports 6) This won't affect your future benefits as long as complete W-2 information is eventually processed If you're within 3 years of retirement, I'd recommend requesting an official earnings record by mail to verify everything is accurate for the years that actually count toward your benefit calculation.

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This is really helpful, thank you. I'm about 20 years from retirement, so I guess I don't need to worry about this partial 2024 reporting. I'll keep an eye on it though!

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I work in HR and see this confusion a lot! Just to add some context - when you see taxes being withheld from your paycheck, that money goes to the IRS immediately, but the REPORTING of your wages to SSA happens on a different timeline. Think of it like this: the government gets your tax money right away, but the paperwork about how much you earned gets filed later in batches. That $646 could be from your employer's first quarterly report, or even from a small 1099 job if you did any freelance work. The key thing is that your employer's year-end W-2 will have your complete 2024 earnings, and THAT'S what ultimately gets used for your Social Security record. The partial amounts you see during the year are just snapshots, not the final picture.

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Will my Social Security be reduced if I stop working two months before applying at age 63?

I'm planning to retire from my job at the end of February 2025 and want to start collecting Social Security in April when I'll be 63. I'm confused about the earnings limit rules. Since I won't be earning any income after February, will my SS benefits still be reduced because of the earnings I made in January and February? Or does the reduction only apply if I continue working after I start collecting? I don't plan to work at all after I start receiving benefits. Just want to make sure I understand this correctly before I make my final decision!

Thank you all for the helpful information! I made an appointment with my local SS office for next week to discuss my specific situation. Will make sure to ask about the monthly earnings test and get clear confirmation about my January/February earnings not affecting my benefits starting in April. Really appreciate everyone's input!

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Good idea! If you have trouble with that appointment or need to follow up by phone, remember that Claimyr option I mentioned. Saved me so much frustration when I needed clarification about my situation.

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Great advice from everyone here! Just wanted to add one more tip - when you do meet with SSA next week, bring documentation showing your last day of work (like a letter from HR or your final paystub). This can help speed up the process and avoid any confusion later. Also, if you're planning to do any freelance or consulting work in the future, make sure to ask about how that would affect your benefits so you're prepared. Good luck with your retirement!

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