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Can I get Social Security survivor benefits from ex-husband when my own SS is higher than half his benefit?

I'm really confused about survivor benefits from an ex-spouse and hoping someone can clear this up. I'm collecting my full retirement at FRA ($2600/month) and my ex-husband gets $4400/month. We were married 12 years before divorcing. After that, I remarried but my second husband passed away last year. Unfortunately, he didn't contribute much to Social Security so I don't qualify for any survivor benefits from him. Here's what's confusing me: Someone at my senior center told me I might be eligible for survivor benefits from my ex-husband when he dies, but when I called SSA, the representative said I wouldn't get anything because my benefit is more than half of his (2600 > 2200). Is this correct? And if I don't qualify for any benefits while he's alive, would I still get survivor benefits when he passes away? Or am I completely out of luck because my own benefit is too high? The SSA office gave me conflicting answers and I can't get through on the phone anymore to clarify. Thanks in advance for any help!

You're mixing up two different benefits. The rule about getting less than half applies to spousal benefits while your ex is alive. Survivor benefits are different - when your ex passes away, you could get up to 100% of what he was receiving if that's higher than your own benefit. So in your case, if your ex passes away and he was getting $4400, you could potentially switch from your $2600 to his $4400. But you'd have to apply for the survivor benefits and you would get whichever is higher (not both).

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That makes so much more sense now! So when he's alive I can't get anything additional because my benefit is already more than half of his, but when he passes, I could potentially switch to his full amount since that's higher? Do I need to have been married for a certain length of time to qualify for ex-spouse survivor benefits?

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my mom jst went thru this exact thing!! yes you CAN get his full benefit when he dies but you have 2 pick either yours OR his (whichever is bigger) not both. dont let them tell u different bc they told my mom wrong info 2x

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This is why it's so frustrating dealing with SSA! I've spoken to THREE different reps and got THREE different answers about basically the same question. Sometimes I think they're deliberately confusing people to avoid paying benefits. No consistency whatsoever.

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The first commenter is exactly right. You're confusing ex-spousal benefits (while he's alive) with ex-spousal survivor benefits (after he passes). They have different rules. For survivor benefits from an ex-spouse, you need to have been married at least 10 years, be at least 60 years old (or 50 if disabled), and not be entitled to a higher benefit on your own record. In your specific case: - While he's alive: You get your own $2600 because it's more than the spousal benefit (which would have been 50% of his, or $2200) - After he passes: You can switch to a survivor benefit of $4400 (assuming it's still higher than your own at that time) And yes, you can get survivor benefits from an ex-spouse even if they remarried. Your remarriage would have mattered, but since you're now widowed, it doesn't affect your eligibility for benefits on your ex's record.

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Thank you for such a clear explanation! I was so confused because the SSA rep kept talking about the 50% rule without explaining the difference between current benefits vs. survivor benefits. One more question if you don't mind - would I need to apply for survivor benefits right away when he passes or can I do it anytime? I'm just trying to understand the process for the future.

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When my auntie's ex died she had to bring their marriage certificate AND divorce papers to SSA to prove she was eligible. Start collecting those documents now! Good luck!

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I went thru something similar. You need to know that SSA will NOT automatically switch you to the higher benefit when your ex passes - you MUST apply for it! They won't tell you about it or check if you qualify. They made me provide marriage certificate, divorce decree, and his death certificate. It took almost 3 months to process and they didn't backdate the payments to his death date, only to when I applied. Don't wait to apply when the time comes!

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This is such an important point that people miss! SSA doesn't automatically check if you'd qualify for higher benefits when circumstances change. I worked for an elder law attorney and saw so many clients lose out on months of higher benefits because they didn't know they needed to apply. The system really is designed to hope you don't know what you're entitled to.

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I spent HOURS trying to reach SSA last month about a similar question. Kept getting disconnected or waiting for 2+ hours only to be told wrong information. Finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to a real SSA agent in less than 20 minutes. Totally worth it! They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU The agent confirmed what others here are saying - survivor benefits from an ex-spouse can be up to 100% of what they received if you were married 10+ years. When your ex passes (hopefully not for many years), you'll want to apply right away for the higher survivor benefit.

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Thank you for the tip about Claimyr! I'll check that out. The phone system is impossible - I tried calling 5 times this week and either couldn't get through or was disconnected after waiting. And our local office has a 3-month wait for appointments.

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does anyone know if there's a time limit to apply after ex dies? like what if u dont find out right away?

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Good question. SSA generally allows retroactive payments for up to 6 months from when you apply for survivor benefits, but not back to the date of death if it's been longer than that. That's why it's important to apply as soon as possible after death.

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just wanted to say thanks for asking this question! I'm in almost the same boat and had no idea about the difference between spousal and survivor benefits from an ex!

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One other thing - when he passes away, DON'T just accept what the first SSA rep tells you. I was initially told I wasn't eligible for my ex's higher benefit because he had remarried. That was WRONG. I had to speak to a supervisor who confirmed I was eligible. The rules are: 1) married 10+ years, 2) you're 60+ or 50+ if disabled, 3) not entitled to higher benefit on your own record. Your current marital status only matters if you're currently married (which you're not - widowed counts as unmarried).

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That's really helpful advice! I'm going to save all this information for future reference. It's frustrating that even SSA reps give incorrect information sometimes. I appreciate everyone's help explaining this.

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I've been following this discussion and wanted to add one more important detail that hasn't been mentioned yet. Even though you were married 12 years (which meets the 10+ year requirement), make sure you have copies of ALL your documentation ready NOW - marriage certificate, divorce decree, and when the time comes, death certificate. Also, consider this: if your ex-husband is getting $4400/month now but delays his benefits or has cost-of-living increases over the years, your potential survivor benefit could be even higher than $4400 when he eventually passes. The survivor benefit is based on what he was actually receiving (or entitled to receive) at the time of death, not what he's getting today. One last tip - keep track of his Social Security number if you have it. SSA will need it when you apply for survivor benefits, and it can speed up the process significantly.

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