Social Security survivor benefits after ex-spouse died at 62 - will I get his full $2700 benefit at 63?
My former husband passed away last month at age 62. He was already receiving his reduced SS retirement benefits (about $2700/month). I'm 63 and haven't filed for any benefits yet. We were married for 17 years before divorcing in 2008. I understand I'm eligible for survivor benefits as his ex-spouse, but I'm completely confused about how much I'd actually receive. Would I get his full $2700? Does it matter that he took his benefits early? Should I apply for survivor benefits now or wait until I'm older? Will the amount increase if I delay? I'm trying to figure out the best strategy here. My own retirement benefit at FRA would be around $2400. Any advice on surviving ex-spouse benefits would be so appreciated!
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Ava Johnson
You should definitely apply for survivor benefits now! Since you're already past 60, you're eligible, and the fact that you were married over 10 years and haven't remarried means you qualify as a surviving divorced spouse. However, you won't get his full $2700. Since he claimed early, your survivor benefit will be based on his reduced amount. But here's the strategy - you could take the survivor benefit now and then switch to your own retirement benefit at 70 if it would be higher after delayed retirement credits. I'd recommend calling SSA directly, but good luck getting through. I tried for weeks before using Claimyr (claimyr.com) - they got me connected to an agent in under 10 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU
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ElectricDreamer
•Thanks for the suggestion! So I'd get LESS than $2700 since he claimed early? That doesn't seem fair since he died... I thought survivor benefits were supposed to be the full amount. I'll try calling SSA tomorrow, but I've heard the wait times are awful. Might check out that service if I can't get through.
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Miguel Diaz
I can provide some clarification on survivor benefits for ex-spouses. There are several factors affecting your benefit amount: 1. Since your ex-husband claimed early (before his FRA), your survivor benefit will be limited to what he was receiving, which was reduced. 2. Your age when you claim survivor benefits matters too. At 63, you'd receive approximately 81.2% of his benefit because you're claiming before your FRA. 3. If you wait until your full retirement age to claim survivor benefits, you'd receive 100% of what he was receiving at death (the $2700). 4. Survivor benefits do NOT increase beyond your full retirement age, unlike retirement benefits. The optimal strategy often involves taking the lower benefit (either survivor or your own retirement) first, then switching to the higher benefit later. In your case, taking survivor benefits now and switching to your own at 70 might maximize your lifetime benefits.
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ElectricDreamer
•Thank you for explaining! So if I understand correctly, if I claim now at 63, I'd get about 81.2% of his $2700 (around $2192), but if I wait until my FRA, I'd get the full $2700? And there's no advantage to waiting beyond my FRA for survivor benefits? This is all so complicated.
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Zainab Ahmed
my mom went thru something similar and she said the SS office told her the amount is frozen when the person dies so if he was getting 2700 thats what ur eligible for but u get less if ur not at full retirement age yet
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Connor Byrne
•That's not entirely correct. The survivor benefit is based on several calculations, including the deceased's benefit amount at death, what the deceased would have received at FRA if they claimed early, and whether the survivor is at their own FRA. It's more complicated than just getting whatever amount the deceased was receiving.
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Yara Abboud
I just went through this last year when my ex passed. They make this SOOO confusing! The way they explained it to me was that since my ex took benefits early, they use something called the RIB-LIM rule (Retirement Insurance Benefit Limitation). This means your survivor benefit is limited to the HIGHER of: 1) what your ex was actually receiving ($2700), or 2) 82.5% of what your ex would have gotten at his full retirement age. BUT THEN they also reduce that amount if you claim before YOUR full retirement age! It's ridiculous how complicated they make this!!! I ended up taking my survivor benefits at 62 and plan to switch to my own benefit at 70.
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ElectricDreamer
•Thanks for sharing your experience! So they apply a reduction twice? Once because he claimed early and again because I'm claiming before my FRA? That seems so unfair! Did you have to provide a lot of documentation for your claim?
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PixelPioneer
This is why I tell EVERYONE to wait until their full retirement age to claim anything from Social Security if they can. The early claiming reductions are severe and permanent. In your situation, I'd recommend applying for the survivor benefits immediately, but be aware you'll get a reduced amount since you're not at your FRA yet. One important thing to understand: your decision about survivor benefits is completely separate from your own retirement benefit. You can take the survivor benefit now at a reduced rate, then switch to your own retirement benefit at 70 when it's maximized with delayed credits. Run the numbers, but this approach often gives the highest lifetime payout.
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ElectricDreamer
•I wish he had waited until his FRA before claiming! But I guess there's nothing I can do about that now. I'm leaning toward taking the survivor benefit now even if it's reduced and then switching to my own at 70. Do you know if I need his death certificate to apply? I have it, just wondering what documentation they require.
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Keisha Williams
dont forget that if u get survivor benfits u can still work without the earnings test affecting those benefits after you reach your full retirement age!!! thats a BIG deal most people dont know
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Miguel Diaz
•Actually, that's not correct. The earnings test applies to ALL Social Security benefits received before FRA, including survivor benefits. After reaching FRA, then yes, the earnings test no longer applies to any benefits.
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Connor Byrne
I want to address a few misconceptions I'm seeing in some of the comments. The RIB-LIM rule is important here. Since your ex-spouse claimed early and was receiving reduced benefits, your survivor benefit will be limited to the higher of: 1. The reduced benefit your ex was receiving at death ($2700), or 2. 82.5% of your ex's Primary Insurance Amount (what he would have received at FRA) Then, because you're claiming survivor benefits before your FRA, there's a separate reduction based on your age. At 63, you'd receive about 81.2% of whatever amount is determined from the calculation above. To apply, you'll need: - Your ex's death certificate - Your marriage certificate - Divorce decree - Both your Social Security numbers - Your birth certificate You cannot apply for survivor benefits online - you must call SSA for an appointment or visit an office.
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ElectricDreamer
•Thank you for the detailed explanation and the list of documents! I have all of those ready. I've been trying to get through to the SSA by phone for two days with no luck. Is it better to just go to the local office in person? I don't want to wait weeks for an appointment if I don't have to.
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Zainab Ahmed
sorry but i think everyones making this more complicated than it is. just call social security and theyll tell u exactly what you'll get. my aunt got her exhusbands full benefit when he died but she was already at retirement age so maybe thats different
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PixelPioneer
•While calling Social Security is definitely the right advice, the details matter greatly here. Your aunt likely received the full benefit because she was at her FRA when claiming. The original poster is 63, so she would face an age-based reduction. These reductions can mean thousands of dollars difference per year, so understanding the details is important for financial planning.
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Ava Johnson
I've seen so many people struggle with getting accurate information about survivor benefits. When I was helping my sister with her claim, we spent DAYS trying to reach someone at SSA. When we finally connected with a representative using Claimyr (claimyr.com), they explained that different SSA agents sometimes give different answers to the same question! My advice is to speak with at least two different agents to verify the information. You need to be your own advocate here.
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ElectricDreamer
•That's concerning that different agents give different answers. I think I'll definitely try to speak with multiple people to make sure I'm getting consistent information. Thanks for the warning!
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Yara Abboud
I forgot to mention!!! Make sure you ask them about any back benefits too. You might be eligible for retroactive survivor benefits for a few months. When I filed, they gave me benefits going back several months from when my ex passed away, even though I didn't apply right away. Not sure if that's always the case but worth asking!
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Connor Byrne
•This is a good point. SSA can pay retroactive survivor benefits for up to six months before the application date, but not earlier than the month of death. So if the ex-spouse died last month as mentioned, there wouldn't be much retroactive payment, but it's always worth confirming.
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