Can a surviving spouse collect deceased spouse's full retirement amount if they claimed SS at 62?
My husband passed away last month at 68. He started collecting Social Security at 62 because of health issues, but I know he was getting a reduced amount (around $1,750/month instead of what would have been about $2,450 at his full retirement age). I'm 65 now and haven't filed for my own benefits yet. My FRA is 66 and 4 months, and my benefit would be around $1,600 if I wait until then. I've been told different things by friends - some say I can only get what he was actually receiving, others say I might be eligible for what he would have received at full retirement age. Does anyone know the actual rules? Would I be better off taking my own benefit at my FRA or can I actually get his full unreduced amount as a survivor? This is all so confusing and the wait time to talk to someone at SSA is ridiculous.
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Connor Richards
I'm sorry for your loss. As a surviving spouse, you're eligible to receive your husband's actual benefit amount that he was receiving at the time of his death, not what he would have received had he waited until FRA. Since he claimed at 62, his benefit was permanently reduced, and that's the amount used for survivor benefits. However, you have options. You can: 1. Take your survivor benefit now and switch to your own benefit at your FRA if it's higher 2. Take your own reduced benefit now and switch to the survivor benefit later 3. Wait until your own FRA to maximize either benefit The best strategy depends on the exact amounts and your financial needs. I'd recommend making an appointment at your local SSA office to discuss your specific situation.
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Zoe Wang
•Thank you for explaining this. I'm confused though - I thought there was some special rule for widows that might let me get more? Something about a widow's limit or calculation? Is that real or am I misunderstanding?
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Grace Durand
when my dad died mom got his check instead of hers cause it was bigger. they told her she could only get one not both. she had to bring the death certificate and marriage license to the office
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Steven Adams
•That's correct - you can't receive both your own benefit AND a survivor benefit simultaneously at their full amounts. You'll receive the higher of the two. But there are strategies around WHEN to claim each type that can maximize your lifetime benefits, depending on your age and benefit amounts.
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Alice Fleming
The SSA is USELESS at explaining this stuff!!! When my wife died they told me THREE different things on THREE different calls!!! I wasted WEEKS trying to get straight answers. The rules are intentionally confusing to prevent people from getting their full benefits!!
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Hassan Khoury
•I had the exact same experience after my husband died. One agent told me to apply immediately, another said wait until FRA, and a third gave me some complicated explanation about RIB-LIM that I couldn't understand. I finally just went to the local office and sat there for 4 hours to get it sorted out. They seem to make it confusing on purpose!
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Victoria Stark
There actually is a special provision for widows/widowers called the Widow's Limit or RIB-LIM rule. It's quite complex, but essentially: If your husband claimed early, you might be entitled to a higher survivor benefit than what he was receiving. The maximum is generally limited to what he would have received if he were still alive today (not what he would have gotten at his FRA). At your current age (65), you have several options: 1. You could take a reduced survivor benefit now and switch to your own at your FRA 2. You could take your own reduced benefit now and switch to survivor benefits at your FRA The RIB-LIM calculation is complex and depends on multiple factors including both your ages, when he claimed, your FRA, etc. This is definitely a situation where having a conversation with a knowledgeable SSA representative is essential. I'd recommend documenting your questions before calling, as the nuances matter here.
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Zoe Wang
•Thank you! This is exactly what I was trying to remember - the RIB-LIM rule. So there is at least a chance I could get more than what he was actually receiving at death. I'll make sure to specifically ask about this when I talk to SSA.
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Benjamin Kim
I had a similar situation when my wife passed. Spent WEEKS trying to get through to SSA on the phone. Always busy signals or disconnections after 2+ hour waits. I finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me through to an agent in under 10 minutes. They have a video that shows how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU Once I actually spoke with someone knowledgeable, they explained all the survivor benefit options and helped me make the right choice based on my specific situation. Saved me so much frustration.
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Zoe Wang
•I've never heard of this service but I'm definitely going to try it. I've called SSA three times already and got disconnected twice after waiting over an hour. The third time I got someone who clearly didn't understand my question. Thanks for sharing this!
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Steven Adams
To add some clarity here - the maximum survivor benefit is generally limited by the larger of: 1. The benefit your husband was receiving at death ($1,750) 2. 82.5% of your husband's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) The PIA is the benefit amount he would have received at his FRA. If his FRA amount would have been $2,450, then 82.5% of that is about $2,021. This means your survivor benefit would be about $2,021 (not the full $2,450 FRA amount, but more than the $1,750 he was receiving). However, if you claim survivor benefits before your own FRA, this amount will be further reduced. The reduction is approximately 4.75% per year before your FRA. Your best strategy might be to take your reduced survivor benefit now, then switch to your own benefit at 70 if your own benefit would be higher with delayed retirement credits.
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Zoe Wang
•This is incredibly helpful, thank you! So I potentially could receive around $2,021 instead of $1,750 if I wait until my FRA to claim the survivor benefit? And I had no idea I could switch to my own benefit at 70 - I thought once you chose one you were stuck with it forever.
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Alice Fleming
my neighbor trid to do this and SSA lost her paperwork TWICE and she had to start over!!! don't trust them to do anything right. make copies of EVERYTHING and get names of who you talk to!!
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Grace Durand
sorry about your husband passing away. it's really hard to deal with all this government stuff when your grieving
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Zoe Wang
•Thank you, it really is overwhelming trying to figure all this out while dealing with everything else.
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Connor Richards
One important thing nobody's mentioned yet: you generally need to apply for survivor benefits within 60 days of your spouse's death to potentially get retroactive benefits back to the month of death. Don't delay in at least starting the application process. You can always withdraw and reapply later if needed (within 12 months). Also, bring your marriage certificate, your husband's death certificate, both your Social Security cards, and your birth certificate when you go to the SSA office. Having all documents ready will make the process smoother.
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Zoe Wang
•I didn't know about the 60-day window! I've been putting this off because it's overwhelming but I'll definitely call this week. I have all those documents already from handling other matters.
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Victoria Stark
Based on the numbers you shared, I did some rough calculations: 1. Your husband's received $1,750 (claimed at 62) 2. His FRA amount would have been $2,450 3. Your FRA amount would be $1,600 Assuming standard reduction factors and the RIB-LIM rule, your maximum survivor benefit at your FRA would likely be between $2,000-$2,100. If you claimed your own benefit at 70, it would be around $1,600 + 24% = $1,984. So it appears your best strategy might be to take the survivor benefit at your FRA and then possibly stay with it rather than switching to your own. However, these are rough estimates and the actual calculation by SSA may differ. This is definitely a case where getting expert advice from SSA is crucial.
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Hassan Khoury
My mom went through this last year and found out she could file a "restricted application" for just the survivor benefit while letting her own benefit grow until 70. The SSA representative she talked to initially didn't mention this option - she only found out after reading about it and specifically asking! The system is designed to make you miss out on money you're entitled to, I swear.
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Steven Adams
•This is absolutely correct. The "restricted application" strategy is still available for survivor benefits (though it's been eliminated for most other benefit types). This allows you to take survivor benefits while allowing your own retirement benefit to grow with delayed retirement credits until age 70. This strategy can significantly increase lifetime benefits in many cases.
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Benjamin Kim
When i tried calling the SSA they kept transferring me around to different people and nobody seemed to know the actual rules. its like they don't train their own staff!!! so frustrating
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Zoe Wang
Thank you all for the helpful responses. I'm going to try to get through to SSA this week and specifically ask about the RIB-LIM calculation and restricted application strategy. If I can't get through, I'll try that Claimyr service someone mentioned. I'll update once I know more in case it helps someone else in the future.
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Connor Richards
•That's a good plan. When you speak with them, make sure to ask specifically about how the RIB-LIM calculation applies to your case, and also ask about the implications of taking survivor benefits now versus at your FRA. It's also worth asking what your own benefit would be at age 70 with delayed retirement credits, so you can make an informed decision about potentially switching later.
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