Can I claim Social Security survivor benefits from ex-spouse while also collecting my own SS at FRA?
I've been planning my retirement for a while now and have a question about potentially receiving two types of Social Security benefits. I'll reach my full retirement age in 2027 (I'm 65 now) and plan to retire and apply for my SS benefits then. I work full-time currently with a decent income. My situation is a bit complex - I was married for 21 years before divorcing, and my ex-spouse passed away about 3 years ago. I know I qualify for Social Security retirement benefits based on my own work record, but I'm wondering if I'm also eligible to receive survivor benefits based on my deceased ex-spouse's record? If I am eligible for survivor benefits, is there a way to find out how much I might receive? I've heard conflicting things about whether you can receive both your own benefits AND survivor benefits, or if you just get the higher of the two. The SSA website is confusing me more than helping! Any advice would be greatly appreciated. This will make a big difference in my retirement planning.
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Connor Murphy
Yes, you are eligible for survivor benefits based on your ex-spouse's record! Since you were married for more than 10 years (21 years in your case) and haven't remarried before age 60, you qualify as a surviving divorced spouse. The good news is that unlike spousal benefits, survivor benefits can be taken separately from your own retirement benefits. This means you could potentially: 1. Take the survivor benefit at your FRA in 2027 and let your own retirement benefit continue to grow until age 70, then switch to your own higher benefit. 2. OR take your own retirement benefit at FRA and later switch to the survivor benefit if it's higher. To find out how much the survivor benefit would be, you'll need to contact SSA directly. The survivor benefit would be based on your ex-spouse's full benefit amount (or what they were receiving when they died). You should get 100% of their benefit amount if you claim at your FRA. I recommend calling SSA at 1-800-772-1213 to schedule an appointment to discuss your options. They can calculate both benefits for you so you can make an informed decision.
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Zainab Omar
•Thank you so much for this detailed response! I had no idea I could potentially take one benefit now and switch to the other later. That's a game-changer for my planning. Just to make sure I understand correctly - if my ex-spouse's benefit is higher than mine, I could take my own retirement benefit at my FRA in 2027, then switch to the survivor benefit later? Or would it make more sense to take the survivor benefit first and let my own benefit grow until 70? I'll definitely call SSA, but I've been trying for weeks and can't get through to anyone. The wait times are ridiculous!
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Yara Sayegh
ive been in your exact situation!! took me forever to figure out all the ss rules. yes youre eligible for survivor benefits from your ex since you were married over 10 yrs and didnt remarry before 60. but heres the thing - you shoukd really think about WHEN to take each benefit. what i learned is that your own ss benefit grows til age 70 but survivor benefits DONT grow after your FRA. so most ppl should take survivors at FRA then switch to their own at 70 if its bigger by then. GOOD LUCK getting anyone at ssa on the phone tho lol i tried for MONTHS!!
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Zainab Omar
•That's really helpful information about survivor benefits not growing after FRA - I didn't know that! So it sounds like taking survivor benefits at my FRA and then switching to my own at 70 might be the better strategy. I'm going to need to run the numbers to see which would be higher after the delayed retirement credits. And yes, the phone situation with SSA is absolutely frustrating! I've tried calling at different times of day with no luck.
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NebulaNova
I had almost the same situation! Been trying to get someone from SS on the phone for WEEKS with no luck! Kept getting disconnected after waiting on hold for 2+ hours! Finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to an actual SSA agent in less than 10 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU The agent confirmed I was eligible for both my own retirement and my ex's survivor benefits, and ran the numbers for both. Turns out my strategy is to take survivor benefits at my FRA and switch to my own at 70 since mine will be higher by then with the delayed credits. Made a HUGE difference in my income planning - like $800/month more than if I'd just taken my own benefit at FRA.
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Zainab Omar
•Oh wow, I've never heard of that service! It's beyond frustrating trying to get through to SSA, especially for something this important. I'll check out that link - getting actual numbers would help me make a solid plan instead of guessing. Thanks for sharing your experience!
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Keisha Williams
A couple things to keep in mind that others haven't mentioned: 1. If you're still working full-time, be aware of the earnings test if you claim ANY benefit before your FRA. In 2025, you can earn up to $22,320 without penalty, but after that, they'll withhold $1 for every $2 you earn above that limit. Once you reach FRA, the earnings test no longer applies. 2. When you contact SSA, ask specifically about the RIB-LIM rule as it applies to survivor benefits for divorced spouses. This rule can affect the maximum amount you receive. 3. Get a copy of your ex-spouse's death certificate and have your marriage certificate ready when you apply. They'll ask for these. 4. Survivor benefits are taxed differently than retirement benefits, so talk to a tax professional about how this might affect your overall tax situation.
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Paolo Conti
•what is this RIB-LIM rule?? never heard of it. my husband passed away 2 yrs ago and im getting survivor benefits. did i miss something important???
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Connor Murphy
To answer the question about the RIB-LIM rule - it stands for Retirement Insurance Benefit Limitation. It's a calculation SSA uses for people who are eligible for both their own retirement benefits and survivor benefits. Basically, if you're receiving survivor benefits, your own retirement benefit (if you decide to take it) might be reduced by a certain amount. The maximum you can receive is the higher of the two benefits, not necessarily the full amount of both combined. For @OP - this is why it's so important to speak with SSA directly about your specific situation. The calculations can get quite complex, and your optimal strategy will depend on the exact benefit amounts you're eligible for.
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Zainab Omar
•Thank you for explaining that! The RIB-LIM rule sounds complicated. I definitely need to speak with SSA directly to get the exact calculations for my situation. I'll make sure to ask about this specifically when I finally get through to someone.
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Amina Diallo
The government DOESNT WANT YOU to know this but you CAN get both benefits!! My sister's friend is getting TWO checks every month - one from her own record and one from her ex husband who died!!! The trick is you have to apply for them separately and not tell them about the other one!!!
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Keisha Williams
•This is absolutely incorrect and potentially fraudulent advice. You CANNOT receive both full benefits simultaneously - the SSA systems are linked and they will know about all benefits you're entitled to. You can strategize about WHEN to take each benefit (as others have suggested), but you cannot receive the full amount of both at the same time. Following this advice could result in significant overpayments that SSA will eventually catch and demand repayment, possibly with penalties. Please only take advice from SSA representatives or qualified financial advisors regarding Social Security benefits.
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Oliver Schulz
Has anyone actually crunched the numbers on this strategy? I did something similar (taking survivor benefits at FRA, then switching to my own at 70), and the difference was substantial. In my case: - Survivor benefit at FRA: $2,850/month - My own benefit at FRA: $2,650/month - My own benefit at age 70: $3,480/month (after delayed retirement credits) By taking survivor benefits at FRA and switching to my own at 70, I'll collect about $2,850/month for 4 years, then $3,480/month for the rest of my life. If I had just taken my own benefit at FRA, I would have gotten $2,650/month forever. The difference over a 20-year retirement is more than $145,000! Definitely worth looking into for your situation.
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Paolo Conti
•wow thats a lot of money! im getting confused though... can u really switch back and forth between benefits?? i thought u just get whichever is higher?
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Connor Murphy
To clarify about switching benefits: With survivor benefits specifically, you CAN choose when to take each benefit and can switch between them. This is different from spousal benefits (when your ex is still alive), where the rules changed after the 2015 Bipartisan Budget Act. For survivor benefits, you can: 1. Take reduced survivor benefits early (as early as age 60) and switch to your own benefits later 2. Take your own reduced benefits early (as early as 62) and switch to survivor benefits at FRA 3. Take either benefit at FRA and switch to the other later The optimal strategy depends on the relative amounts of each benefit and your life expectancy. Since survivor benefits don't grow after FRA but your own benefits grow until 70, many people benefit from taking survivor benefits at FRA and switching to their own at 70.
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Zainab Omar
•This is so helpful - thank you for explaining the options so clearly! I'm leaning toward taking the survivor benefit at my FRA and then switching to my own at 70 if the numbers work out that way. I'll definitely need to get the exact benefit amounts from SSA to make the final decision though.
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Oliver Schulz
Just a heads up that the survivor benefit rules for divorced spouses are slightly different than for current spouses. For a divorced spouse to qualify for survivor benefits: 1. The marriage must have lasted at least 10 years (which yours did at 21 years) 2. You must be at least 60 years old (or 50 if disabled) 3. You must not have remarried before age 60 If you remarried after 60, you can still collect survivor benefits from your ex. Also, claiming survivor benefits from your ex has no effect on what other family members might receive on your ex's record. Do you know if your ex had started taking Social Security before they passed away? That can affect the amount of survivor benefits too.
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Zainab Omar
•Thanks for this information! I haven't remarried, so that shouldn't be an issue. My ex-spouse had actually just started receiving Social Security benefits about a year before passing away. Does that mean the survivor benefit would be based on what they were actually receiving? Or would it be based on their full retirement age amount?
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Connor Murphy
Since your ex-spouse had already started receiving benefits when they passed away, your survivor benefit would generally be based on what they were actually receiving. However, there are some exceptions: 1. If your ex was receiving reduced benefits because they claimed early, your survivor benefit would be limited to the larger of: - What your ex was receiving when they died - 82.5% of your ex's full retirement age benefit 2. If your ex delayed claiming beyond their full retirement age, your survivor benefit would include any delayed retirement credits they earned. This is another reason why getting the specific numbers from SSA is so important. They can tell you exactly what the survivor benefit amount would be based on your ex's specific claiming history.
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Zainab Omar
•Thank you for explaining this! I believe my ex claimed a bit early (maybe 6 months before their FRA), so it sounds like that might affect the survivor benefit amount. I'll definitely ask about this when I speak with SSA.
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