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I'm new to this community and wanted to share my experience from when I helped my aunt navigate a similar situation last year. She was 68 when her husband passed, and he had also claimed Social Security early at 62. Like many others here have mentioned, the SSA representative initially told her she would receive his reduced benefit amount, which caused her a lot of unnecessary stress. What really helped us was being persistent and asking to speak with someone who specialized in survivor benefits. We also brought multiple documents including the SSA survivor benefits publication that someone mentioned earlier. The specialist was able to clearly explain that she would receive 100% of his Primary Insurance Amount, not his reduced benefit. One additional tip I'd offer: when you call or visit SSA, ask them to provide you with a written benefit estimate that shows both calculations side by side - your own retirement benefit at 70 versus the unreduced survivor benefit. Having both numbers in writing will help you make the most informed decision and also serve as documentation if you need to reference it later. @Anastasia, based on your nursing career and the fact that you waited until 70, I wouldn't be surprised if your own benefit ends up being competitive with or even higher than the survivor benefit. Either way, you're in a much better position than you initially feared! This community has given you excellent advice.

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Welcome to the community, Evan! Your advice about asking for a written benefit estimate showing both calculations side by side is brilliant - I hadn't thought about requesting documentation that way, but it makes perfect sense. Having both numbers in writing would eliminate any confusion and give me something concrete to reference when making my decision. Your experience with your aunt is so reassuring too - it seems like there's a pattern of initial misinformation from some SSA representatives, but persistence and the right documentation really do make a difference. Thank you for sharing such practical, actionable advice. I'm feeling much more prepared for my appointment now thanks to all the wisdom everyone has shared in this thread!

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Welcome to the community! I'm new here too, but this thread has been incredibly helpful for understanding survivor benefits. I'm currently 63 and my husband is 65, so we're trying to plan our Social Security strategy. Reading about everyone's experiences has made me realize how important it is to understand these rules before we need them. @Anastasia, I'm so sorry for your loss. Based on everything I've read here, it sounds like you've made excellent decisions by waiting until 70. The consensus seems clear that you'll get your husband's full PIA (not his reduced amount), but the advice about comparing it to your own age-70 benefit is really eye-opening. I had never considered how those delayed retirement credits could potentially make someone's own benefit higher than a survivor benefit, even when the spouse was the higher earner. Thank you to everyone who has shared their knowledge and experiences - this has been such an educational discussion. The practical tips about bringing documentation, using specific terminology like "unreduced survivor benefit," and asking for written calculations are all things I'm going to remember for our own planning.

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Welcome to the community, CosmicVoyager! It's great that you and your husband are planning ahead at 63 and 65 - having this knowledge beforehand really does make a huge difference. This thread has been such an education for all of us newcomers! The point about delayed retirement credits potentially making your own benefit competitive with survivor benefits was completely new to me too. It's one of those nuances that could really impact someone's financial security if they don't know to compare both options. I'm so grateful for communities like this where people share real experiences and practical advice. Planning Social Security strategy can feel overwhelming, but having access to this kind of detailed knowledge from people who've actually been through these situations is invaluable. Best of luck with your planning!

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Just to add to what everyone else has said - you're absolutely right that 401k assets don't matter for regular Social Security retirement benefits! I went through this same process last year at 64. The online application was pretty smooth and they only asked about my work history and earnings, nothing about savings or retirement accounts. One tip: make sure you have your tax returns handy for the past couple years, especially if you had any self-employment income. They might ask you to verify some earnings if there are gaps in their records. Also, if you haven't already, definitely check your earnings record on your my Social Security account before applying to make sure everything looks accurate - I found a missing year from an old employer that I was able to get corrected before filing. Good luck with your application! The whole process was way easier than I expected.

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This is super helpful, thank you! I haven't checked my earnings record in a while so I'll definitely do that first. Did you have to wait long after applying to start receiving benefits? I'm trying to figure out my timeline since I'm still job hunting but might need the income sooner rather than later.

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For me it took about 6 weeks from application to first payment, but I applied about 2 months before I wanted benefits to start. You can actually choose your start date when you apply - you don't have to start benefits immediately. Since you're still job hunting, you might want to think about whether starting benefits right away makes sense, especially given the reduction for filing early that someone mentioned earlier. The timing can be tricky when you're balancing immediate financial needs vs. long-term benefit amounts.

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Great question and I'm glad you asked! Everyone here has given you solid advice - you definitely DON'T need to report your 401k for regular Social Security retirement benefits. I went through this exact situation two years ago when I applied at 62. Just want to emphasize what a few others mentioned: make absolutely sure you understand the financial impact of filing at 63 vs waiting. That permanent reduction is no joke - for me it was worth it because of health concerns, but it's a big decision. Also, since you mentioned being unemployed, don't forget that once you start collecting SS, if you do find work later, there are earnings limits until you reach full retirement age that could temporarily reduce your benefits. But again, 401k withdrawals won't count toward those limits if you need to tap into that money. The online application really is straightforward - just have your employment history ready and double-check your earnings record first like others suggested. Good luck!

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Thanks for sharing your experience! As someone new to all this Social Security stuff, it's really reassuring to hear from people who've actually been through the process. The earnings limit thing is something I definitely need to research more - I had no idea that was even a factor. Quick question: when you say the online application asks for employment history, do they want like exact dates and addresses for every job, or is it more general? I've had quite a few different positions over the years and I'm worried about getting all the details perfectly accurate.

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This is such a great question and the responses here are really comprehensive! I'm in a similar situation - turning 62 next year and considering early retirement but worried about making the wrong financial decision. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is how this strategy might work differently depending on your career field. I'm in tech where salaries have grown significantly over the past decade, so even a few years of higher earnings could potentially replace some much lower-earning years from the 1980s and 1990s in my calculation. Has anyone here specifically calculated how much their PIA increased per year of higher earnings? I'm trying to figure out if the potential benefit increase would justify dealing with the earnings test complexity, especially since I'd probably want to work remotely which might limit my earning potential compared to returning to a full corporate role.

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That's a really smart way to think about it! The career field definitely matters a lot. I'm also in tech and went through a similar calculation when I was considering this path. What I found is that if your recent years are significantly higher than your early career years (which is common in tech), even just 3-4 years of good earnings can make a meaningful difference. The PIA increase depends on how much those new high years replace your lowest years in the top 35. I used the SSA's online calculator to run different scenarios - you can plug in hypothetical future earnings to see how it would affect your benefit. One thing to consider with remote work is that you might actually have more flexibility to optimize your earnings timing around the annual earnings limit, since you could potentially control project timing or consulting income more easily than with a traditional W-2 role.

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This thread has been incredibly informative! As someone who's been agonizing over this same decision, I really appreciate all the detailed explanations about the earnings test, PIA recalculations, and delayed retirement credits. One additional consideration I'd add is the psychological aspect - I've talked to several people who took early retirement and then returned to work, and many said the biggest benefit wasn't necessarily the increased Social Security payment, but rather having the security of knowing they already had that base income locked in. It gave them more flexibility to be selective about work opportunities and negotiate better terms since they weren't desperate for income. For those considering this path, you might also want to factor in the potential healthcare savings if you can get employer coverage again - that alone could be worth thousands per year even if your SS benefit increase is modest. Just make sure you understand all the rules before making any moves, and consider consulting with a financial planner who specializes in Social Security strategies to run the numbers for your specific situation.

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This is such a valuable perspective, thank you! The psychological security aspect is something I hadn't fully considered but makes total sense. Having that guaranteed baseline income would definitely change the whole dynamic of job searching and negotiating. I'm curious about the healthcare piece you mentioned - for someone who takes early retirement at 62, works for a few years with employer coverage, then retires again before 65, what happens during that gap before Medicare kicks in? Would you be back to buying individual coverage on the marketplace, or are there other options like COBRA? The healthcare costs during those transition periods could definitely impact whether this strategy makes financial sense overall.

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Just joined this community after getting an unexpected $164.75 deposit yesterday! I was absolutely terrified it was some kind of mistake that would get me in trouble later. My regular SS payment already came through on schedule, so seeing this extra amount appear was both exciting and scary at the same time. After reading through everyone's experiences with the COLA adjustment payments, I finally feel like I can relax! It's so comforting to know this is happening to so many people and that it's actually money we're entitled to. You're all completely right that SSA needs to do a much better job communicating about these payments - even just adding "COLA ADJUSTMENT 2024" to the description would save so much panic and confusion. This community has been incredibly helpful - way more informative than anything I could find on the official websites. Thank you everyone for sharing your stories and helping newcomers like me understand what's going on! I'll be watching my mailbox for that explanation letter.

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Welcome to the community! I'm also really new here and just went through this exact same experience a few days ago - got an unexpected $141.88 deposit and was convinced I was going to be in huge trouble with SSA! That fear about it being a mistake that would come back to haunt us is so real. I was actually considering not touching the money at all until I could figure out what it was for. Reading through this entire thread has been such a lifesaver - it's incredible how many of us are all dealing with the same COLA adjustment situation right now. Everyone here has been so generous with sharing their knowledge and experiences. You're absolutely right about SSA needing better communication - it's honestly ridiculous that we all have to come to community forums to understand what our own government is doing with our benefits! But I'm so grateful we found this supportive group. Hope your explanation letter comes soon, but at least now we can both sleep soundly knowing it's legitimate!

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I just joined this community today after receiving an unexpected $152.38 deposit from Social Security yesterday! Like so many others here, I was initially panicked thinking it might be an error that I'd eventually have to pay back. My regular monthly payment already came through on the 3rd, so seeing this additional amount was completely confusing. After reading through all these incredibly helpful comments about the COLA adjustment payments, I finally feel like I can breathe again! It's so reassuring to know this is happening to many people and that it's actually legitimate money we're entitled to. You're all absolutely right that SSA really should include even a basic explanation with these deposits - something as simple as "COLA ADJ 2024" would prevent so much unnecessary anxiety for all of us. This community has been far more informative than the official SSA website or trying to call their overwhelmed phone lines. Thank you everyone for sharing your experiences and helping newcomers like me understand what's happening! I'll be watching for that explanation letter in the mail.

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Welcome to the community, Carmen! I'm also brand new here and just experienced this exact same situation a couple days ago - got an unexpected $168.42 deposit and was absolutely terrified it was some kind of system error that would get me in trouble! That panic about having to pay it back is so intense, especially when you're already trying to make ends meet on a fixed income. I was literally up all night worrying about it until I found this thread. Reading through everyone's explanations about the COLA adjustment has been such a huge relief - this community is amazing! You're so right that SSA really needs to include some kind of basic description with these payments. It's honestly pretty frustrating that we have to come to forums like this to understand what our own government is doing with our benefits, but I'm grateful we found such a helpful group of people. Hope your explanation letter arrives soon, but at least now we can both relax knowing it's money we're actually entitled to!

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Just wanted to chime in as someone who works in retirement planning - this whole thread is a perfect example of why it's so important to understand all the moving pieces with Social Security! I see this confusion all the time with clients. The survivor benefits piece that everyone identified is huge - when someone loses a spouse, they can often end up with a higher total monthly income from Social Security than they had when both spouses were alive, especially if the deceased spouse had higher earnings. One thing I'd add to the great advice already given: when you're reviewing your earnings record, pay special attention to years where you might have had multiple jobs or changed employers mid-year. Those transitions sometimes create gaps in reporting. Also, if you ever worked for tips (restaurant, salon, etc.), make sure those tip amounts were properly reported - I've seen cases where the base wage was recorded but not the tips. Since you're planning to retire next year, this is also a good time to think about Medicare enrollment timing if you're not already covered through an employer plan. The Social Security and Medicare timelines don't always align perfectly, so it's worth planning both together.

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Thank you for the professional perspective! This is exactly the kind of comprehensive advice I was hoping to find. You're right about the tip reporting - I actually worked as a server for about 3 years in the early 90s and I'm not sure all those tips were properly documented. I'll definitely look into that when I'm reviewing my earnings history. The Medicare timing point is really important too. I hadn't even thought about how those enrollment periods might not line up with my Social Security claiming decision. I'll need to research that more so I don't accidentally create a gap in coverage or miss an enrollment window. It sounds like there are quite a few more details to consider than I initially realized, but at least now I have a clear roadmap of what to investigate. This community has been incredibly helpful in breaking down what seemed like a mysterious discrepancy into understandable factors.

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One more thing to consider that I haven't seen mentioned yet - make sure you understand how working while receiving Social Security benefits might affect your payments if you're planning to retire but potentially do some part-time work. If you claim benefits before your full retirement age and continue to earn income, there's an earnings test that could temporarily reduce your benefits. For 2024, if you're under FRA for the entire year, Social Security deducts $1 from your benefits for every $2 you earn above $22,320. This changes in the year you reach FRA, and there's no earnings test once you reach your full retirement age. This might not apply to your situation, but it's worth knowing about since many people assume they can claim Social Security and continue working part-time without any impact on their benefits. The good news is that any benefits withheld due to the earnings test aren't lost forever - they're recalculated and added back to your monthly benefit amount once you reach FRA. Given all the complexity you've uncovered in this thread, you might want to consider meeting with a Social Security representative in person at your local office once you get your earnings record corrected. They can run scenarios for you and help you understand exactly how different claiming strategies would affect your specific situation.

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