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I'm so sorry about your husband's condition - what a devastating situation to face. I work as a benefits counselor and wanted to add some important details about the withdrawal option others have mentioned. You're absolutely right to pursue this quickly. The 12-month withdrawal window is firm, and since your husband only filed 3 weeks ago, you have time but shouldn't delay. A few critical points: 1) The withdrawal completely erases his application - it's as if he never filed at all. 2) SSA will calculate survivor benefits based on his PIA (Primary Insurance Amount) plus any delayed retirement credits he would have earned up to his date of death. 3) You'll need to repay the gross amount of his benefit (before any deductions for Medicare, taxes, etc.). For the representative payee process, bring: medical POA, doctor's letter about incapacity, his Social Security card, your ID, and marriage certificate. If possible, try to get the doctor to specify that your husband cannot understand the nature and consequences of financial decisions. The math works strongly in your favor here - even accounting for the repayment, you'd break even in just a few months and then have hundreds more per month for the rest of your life. Don't let anyone at SSA tell you this isn't possible - it absolutely is under these circumstances.

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Thank you so much for this professional insight - it's incredibly helpful to hear from someone who works directly with benefits. Your checklist of documents to bring is exactly what I needed. I'm writing everything down so I don't forget anything at my appointment. The clarification about repaying the gross amount is important too - I want to make sure I have the full amount ready. It's reassuring to know that this withdrawal option is definitely possible in these circumstances, since this whole situation has felt so overwhelming. I really appreciate you taking the time to provide such detailed guidance.

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I'm so sorry to hear about your husband's stroke and the difficult situation you're facing. Having gone through something similar with my father, I understand how overwhelming it can be to navigate these decisions while dealing with a medical crisis. I want to emphasize what others have said about the withdrawal option (Form SSA-521) - this could potentially save you thousands of dollars over your lifetime. Since your husband only filed 3 weeks ago, you're definitely within the 12-month window. The difference between $2,700 and approximately $3,132 monthly (with delayed credits to age 69) is $432 per month, which adds up to over $5,000 annually. One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned: when you go to your SSA appointment, ask them to calculate the exact survivor benefit amount with delayed credits so you can see the precise numbers. Also, inquire about whether you can complete the withdrawal process the same day if you bring all required documentation and payment. Time is really of the essence here, so if your local office appointment is still a week away, consider trying to walk in earlier or see if they have any cancellations. Some offices take walk-ins for urgent situations like this. Thinking of you and your husband during this incredibly difficult time. The community here has given you excellent advice - please keep us updated on how things go.

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i got so confused by all the conflicting advice that i just went to my local ss office and had them explain everything. took half a day but worth it. way better than trying to figure it out online.

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Just wanted to add my experience since I was in almost the exact same situation last year. I retired at 65 (my FRA) and was totally confused about whether to start benefits immediately or wait. After talking to a financial planner and doing my own research, I learned that the key thing is understanding that your Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) is already locked in based on your work history - it doesn't change whether you're working or not. What DOES change is the delayed retirement credits if you wait past FRA. I ended up starting benefits at FRA because I wanted the peace of mind of getting something rather than gambling on living long enough to make waiting worthwhile. But if you're healthy and have good longevity in your family, those 8% annual increases until age 70 are pretty attractive. The main thing is that you're NOT losing money by delaying just because you stopped working. The SSA website language is confusing but the delayed credits are real regardless of your employment status.

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Just wanted to add one clarification that might help with your planning - when you're thinking about survivor benefits, keep in mind that if your husband delays claiming past his FRA (say until age 70), his benefit will grow by about 8% per year due to delayed retirement credits. If he passes away after that, your survivor benefit would be based on that higher amount, not just his original PIA. So his claiming strategy can significantly impact your potential survivor benefits down the road. Also, regarding the earnings test - it's worth noting that even if you claim benefits before your FRA and have earnings that reduce your monthly payments, those "withheld" benefits aren't lost forever. SSA will recalculate your benefit at FRA to give you credit for those months when benefits were reduced due to earnings. But once you hit FRA, it's a clean slate - work as much as you want with zero impact on benefits!

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This is such an important point about delayed retirement credits! I hadn't thought about how his decision to delay claiming could affect my potential survivor benefits. So if he waits until 70 to claim and gets those 8% annual increases, and then passes away years later, my survivor benefit would be based on that higher amount he was receiving? That could make a huge difference in planning. Also really good to know that any benefits withheld due to earnings before FRA aren't actually lost - I was worried about that. Thank you for these details!

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This is such a helpful discussion! As someone who's been navigating these same questions with my spouse, I wanted to add one more consideration that might be useful. If you're planning to continue working after your FRA, don't forget that your continued earnings could potentially increase your own Social Security benefit calculation if those later years represent some of your highest earning years. SSA recalculates your benefit annually if you have earnings that would increase your average, which could boost either your retirement benefit or the baseline for spousal benefit comparisons. Also, I learned from my financial planner that it's worth running the numbers on different claiming strategies - sometimes it makes sense for the higher earner to delay claiming to maximize both the current spousal benefit and future survivor benefits, while the lower earner might claim earlier. The "file and suspend" strategy is no longer available, but there are still ways to optimize timing between spouses. Definitely worth getting a personalized analysis of your specific situation!

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This is really valuable information! I hadn't considered that continuing to work after FRA could actually increase my own Social Security benefit if those are high-earning years. That's another good reason to keep working if I enjoy it. The point about getting a personalized analysis is well taken too - it sounds like there are so many variables between timing, earnings, and spousal coordination that it's worth having someone run the specific numbers for our situation. Do you happen to know if SSA provides that kind of detailed analysis, or is that something you'd typically need to get from a financial planner?

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As a newcomer to this community, I want to thank everyone for this incredibly helpful discussion! I just started collecting Social Security benefits two months ago while continuing my part-time virtual bookkeeping services, and I've been losing sleep over this exact 45-hour rule question. What's really striking to me is how consistent everyone's experiences are - the SSA seems to apply this rule primarily to high-earning professionals, not folks doing regular freelance or service work at modest rates. It's such a relief to hear from Jacob and others who've actually been working over 45 hours without issues, as long as they stay under the annual earnings limit. I love the practical advice about tracking both hours and income in a spreadsheet. Even though the hours might not matter for our type of work, having that documentation seems like smart protection. Plus it'll make tax prep so much easier! Ana, your original question was spot-on and clearly resonated with so many of us navigating this confusing transition. It's amazing how much clearer things become when you hear real experiences instead of trying to parse the official SSA language. Thanks to everyone who shared - this thread should be required reading for anyone doing freelance work while collecting benefits!

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Andre, you're absolutely right about this thread being required reading! As someone completely new to both this community and Social Security benefits, I was honestly panicking about the 45-hour rule until I found this discussion. What really stands out to me is how many people called SSA directly and got totally different answers each time - that alone shows why real-world experiences from people like Jacob and others are so much more valuable than the confusing official documentation. I'm planning to start my Social Security application next month while keeping my freelance proofreading work, and this thread has given me the confidence to move forward. The spreadsheet tracking idea is brilliant - I'm definitely setting that up from day one. Thanks Ana for asking the question we all needed answered, and thanks to everyone who shared their actual experiences!

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As someone who's new to this community and just beginning to navigate the Social Security landscape, I can't thank everyone enough for this incredibly thorough and reassuring discussion! I'm planning to file for benefits in the next few months while continuing my freelance consulting work (business process improvement for small companies), and I've been absolutely terrified about the 45-hour rule. What really strikes me from reading everyone's experiences is the clear pattern: SSA seems to focus this rule on high-income professionals like doctors and lawyers who might manipulate the system, not regular freelancers doing modest-paying work. The fact that multiple people got different answers when calling SSA directly just confirms how valuable these real-world experiences are compared to trying to decode official policy documents. I'm definitely taking Jacob's advice about the spreadsheet tracking - that seems like the perfect way to stay organized and have documentation, even if the hours don't end up mattering for our type of work. The annual earnings limit appears to be the real guardrail we need to focus on. Ana, thank you for having the courage to ask the question so many of us were thinking but afraid to voice. This thread has transformed my anxiety into confidence about managing the transition to retirement with continued freelance income. You've created something that should honestly be pinned as essential reading for anyone in our situation!

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Welcome to the community Jibriel! Your consulting work is actually a really interesting case since "business process improvement" could potentially fall into that gray area between regular freelance work and professional services that SSA might scrutinize more closely. That said, based on everything shared in this thread, as long as you're staying under the annual earnings limit and not charging premium consultant rates like the big firms, you should be fine. The key seems to be that SSA is really targeting those high-dollar professional practices where people might be hiding significant income. Your plan to track everything in a spreadsheet is smart - it'll give you great documentation if any questions ever come up. Thanks for adding to this discussion and welcome to the retirement-with-side-hustle club!

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I'm in a very similar situation and really appreciate all the detailed responses here! As someone who's been following WEP reform efforts closely, I wanted to add that the Social Security Fairness Act (H.R. 82/S. 393) actually passed the House in late 2023 with strong bipartisan support but stalled in the Senate due to concerns about the $196 billion price tag over 10 years. The compromise bill mentioned earlier - the Public Servants Protection and Fairness Act - is indeed more realistic because it provides substantial relief while costing significantly less. It would replace the current WEP formula with a proportional one that's fairer to people with mixed earnings histories like teachers and firefighters. For anyone affected by this, I'd strongly recommend joining advocacy groups like the National Association of Retired Federal Employees (NARFE) or calling your senators directly. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and sustained pressure from constituents really does influence legislative priorities. We're closer to meaningful WEP reform than we've ever been, but it's going to take continued advocacy to get it across the finish line.

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This is really encouraging to hear that there's actual momentum behind reform efforts! I had no idea the Social Security Fairness Act made it through the House - that's significant progress even if it stalled in the Senate. The fact that there's now a more realistic compromise proposal gives me some hope that we might actually see meaningful change in the next few years. I'll definitely look into joining NARFE and reaching out to my senators. You're absolutely right that sustained pressure makes a difference. After reading through all these responses, I'm feeling much more informed about both my immediate options (verifying my earnings record, considering delayed filing) and the longer-term advocacy efforts. Thanks for the detailed update on where things stand legislatively - it's exactly the kind of current information I was hoping to find!

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I'm dealing with this exact same WEP nightmare! Been a federal employee for 28 years and just learned I'm going to lose about $400/month in SS benefits when I retire next year. What really gets me is that I paid into Social Security for 15 years before joining the government, but now I'm being "penalized" for having a decent pension. One thing I discovered that might help others here - if you have access to your agency's retirement counselor or financial planner, definitely take advantage of that service. Mine helped me understand how the WEP calculation actually works with my specific earnings history and showed me some strategies I hadn't considered, like the possibility of working part-time in SS-covered employment after retirement to add more substantial earnings years. Also wanted to echo what others said about contacting Congress. I've been writing to my representatives quarterly for the past two years, and their staff actually responds with updates on the legislative status. It may feel futile, but they do track how many constituents are contacting them about specific issues, and WEP affects a lot of voters in key districts. The whole system is fundamentally unfair to public servants who worked multiple careers, but at least there seems to be more awareness and momentum for change than there was even five years ago. Hang in there!

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