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go back to work! my husband went back after he retired and it kept him young! he said sitting around the house was making him feel old!

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Thank you everyone for all the helpful information! I've decided to accept the position at the school. Knowing that my benefits won't be reduced is a huge relief, and the possibility of slightly increasing my future benefits is an added bonus. I'll keep an eye on the tax situation, but that's manageable. Really appreciate all your insights!

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when you talk to ssa ask them what happens if u work part time instead of full time. i reduced to 25 hrs a week and now i get some survivors and its working better for me. less stress too

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That's definitely something to consider. I've been thinking about scaling back anyway. Maybe this is the push I needed. I'll ask about different income scenarios when I meet with them.

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Thank you everyone for the helpful responses! I've scheduled an appointment at my local SSA office for next week, and I'm gathering all the documents suggested. I'm going to ask about various scenarios with reduced hours too. It sounds like my original understanding was mostly correct, but the earnings test will likely eliminate most of my survivor benefits unless I cut back on work. I'll update after my appointment in case it helps anyone else in a similar situation.

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MAKE SURE you understand the exact amount of the 2025 earnings limit though!!! It changes every year with COLA. For 2024 it's $22,320 but will probably be higher for 2025. And remember the limit is higher in the year you reach Full Retirement Age. And be super careful because if you go over they take back $1 for every $2 you earn above the limit!!!!

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That's correct. The 2025 earnings limit hasn't been officially announced yet since it depends on the COLA adjustment, but based on recent increases, it will likely be around $23,600-$24,000. And yes, for people reaching Full Retirement Age (FRA) in 2025, there's a higher limit that only applies during the months before you reach FRA. In 2024 that's $59,520, and will increase for 2025. Once you reach your FRA, there's no earnings limit at all.

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Aaron Lee

One important thing that no one has mentioned is that you should still be aware of Required Minimum Distributions (RMDs) for your 401k. Starting at age 73, you're required to take minimum withdrawals from traditional retirement accounts regardless of whether you need the money. Those withdrawals won't affect your Social Security earnings test, but they are taxable income and can impact how much of your Social Security benefits get taxed.

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Thanks for bringing that up. I'll need to plan for RMDs in about 10 years. I should probably talk to my financial advisor about strategies to minimize the tax impact when that time comes.

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my dad waited 4 yrs past fra and still had to call to get his credits right lol

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That's highly unusual and likely indicates there was a problem with his initial application or work record. For most people, DRCs are applied automatically, even if there's a slight delay in processing.

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Just a follow-up on timing: The SSA processes different benefit adjustments in different cycles. COLAs (Cost of Living Adjustments) are processed for all beneficiaries in January. DRCs (Delayed Retirement Credits) are typically processed when you apply, but if there's a backlog or processing issue, they do have quarterly mass adjustment periods. January is one of those periods, but the changes might not be reflected immediately. Worst case scenario, if the adjustment isn't showing by mid-February, call the SSA and specifically mention you're calling about "delayed retirement credits not being applied to your benefit amount." This specific terminology helps ensure you're directed to the right department.

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That's extremely helpful information about the quarterly processing periods! I'll use that exact terminology if I need to call. Thanks so much for your expertise.

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My sister went through this last year. She had been on SSDI for about 8 years and decided to try working again. The paperwork and reporting requirements were a NIGHTMARE. She had to document everything and still ended up with an overpayment notice. The stress actually made her condition worse and she had to stop working anyway. Just something to consider beyond just the financial aspects.

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Amina Sy

This is an important perspective. The reporting requirements can indeed be burdensome. For anyone considering this transition, I recommend connecting with a Work Incentives Planning and Assistance (WIPA) program - they provide free benefits counseling to help navigate these exact situations. You can find your local WIPA through the Choose Work website.

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It just seems crazy to me that the system is set up so that if you try to be productive and work, you might end up worse off financially. Shouldn't there be some kind of gradual reduction instead of this cliff where you lose everything once you hit that SGA limit? The whole thing discourages people from trying to work at all.

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EXACTLY!!!! It's like they WANT to keep disabled people poor and dependent!!!! If I earn even $1 over the SGA limit I lose EVERYTHING but if I stay home and do nothing I keep getting paid. How does that make ANY sense???? The whole system needs to be FIXED!!!!!

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anyone know if theres a earnings limit for survivor benefits? i heard somewhere you can only make like $19,000 a year or they take back some of your ss?? is that true or just for regular retirement

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Yes, there is an earnings limit that applies to survivor benefits if you're under Full Retirement Age (currently 67 for most people). For 2023, that limit is $21,240/year if you're under FRA for the full year. Social Security will deduct $1 for every $2 you earn above that limit. The year you reach FRA, the limit increases substantially, and then disappears completely once you hit your FRA.

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Thank you everyone for all the helpful responses! I've scheduled an appointment for next week using that Claimyr service (which worked amazingly well - took less than 10 minutes to get through to a real person). The agent I spoke with confirmed I should apply now for March benefits and gave me a list of documents to bring. She also explained the earnings limit since I still work part-time. I really appreciate all your advice and support!

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I'm not totally sure on this, but I think there's still a way to get spousal benefits while letting your own grow??? My sister-in-law did something like this just last year. You might want to ask specifically about that at your local SSA office.

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Mei Zhang

With respect, this is incorrect. The restricted application strategy (claiming spousal while letting your own grow) is only available to people born before January 2, 1954. For everyone born after that date, when you file for any benefit, you are deemed to be filing for all benefits you're eligible for, and you'll receive whichever is higher. Your sister-in-law was likely born before that cutoff date, which is why she was able to use that strategy.

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AstroAce

Update: I wanted to thank everyone for their advice. I scheduled a meeting with a financial advisor who specializes in Social Security planning for families with disabled dependents. Based on our discussion and your comments, I'm leaning toward working 2 more years past my FRA. The long-term security for my son is the deciding factor - knowing that he'll have a higher benefit available throughout his lifetime if something happens to both my wife and me. The potential tax changes would be nice, but as many of you pointed out, that's not something to bank on.

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That sounds like a wise decision! Getting professional advice specific to your situation is always smart. One other thing to consider - if you're still working, you might look into an ABLE account for your son if you haven't already. It allows disabled individuals to save money (up to $16,000/year) without impacting their SSI eligibility. Could be another way to provide security.

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my neighbor said u have to PAY EVERYTHING BACK if u get approved for disability but he also thinks the moon landing was fake so idk if hes right lol

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Your neighbor is definitely not correct about this. SSA handles the adjustment internally by reducing your disability backpay by the amount of retirement benefits already received. There is no scenario where you'd have to pay back your legitimate retirement benefits in this situation.

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Just to follow up on my earlier comment - there's one more benefit to getting approved for SSDI after taking early retirement that people haven't mentioned. You'll become eligible for Medicare 24 months after your SSDI entitlement date, regardless of your age. So you'll get Medicare before 65, which can be a huge help with medical expenses. Also, if your disability has worsened since you initially applied, make sure your medical records reflect this. The more documentation you have about your limitations, the stronger your case will be. Have you had a lawyer helping with your disability claim?

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I completely forgot about the Medicare eligibility! That would be fantastic since my insurance costs are killing me right now. I do have a disability attorney helping me. They've been good about submitting all my medical records, but honestly communication has been spotty. They basically just tell me to wait whenever I check in. Is there anything specific I should be asking them to do at this point?

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Based on the numbers you provided, I want to clarify something important. If your SSDI benefit is $1400 and half of your husband's is $1300, you likely won't receive any additional spousal benefits now because your own benefit is higher. Even without the age reduction, the maximum spousal benefit would be 50% of your husband's PIA (not his actual benefit payment). However, there are scenarios where you might still qualify: 1. If your husband's PIA is actually higher than $2600 2. When you reach full retirement age and the reduction no longer applies 3. If your husband passes away (survivor benefits work differently) Still, it's recommended to apply now to establish your eligibility in SSA's systems, even if the current payment amount would be $0.

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I think I'm starting to understand better. So basically, the fact that I'm getting more on my own ($1400) than half of his benefit ($1300) means I probably won't get extra money now. Is that right? But I should still apply so it's in their system for later?

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I got so confused with all this spouse benefit stuff too!! The SSA website is impossible to understand!!! When I finally got through to an agent she told me something completely different than what I read online! And then when I got approved they calculated it yet ANOTHER way! Why can't they just make this simple??

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It's frustrating! Their online calculators don't handle complex situations well either. I found that talking to an actual SSA claims specialist was the only way to get accurate information. That's why I ended up using that phone service to get through - I needed straight answers from a real person who could look at my specific file.

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i forgot to mention but keep taking ur prescribed meds even if they dont help much. my cousin stopped taking some of her meds cuz of side effects and SSA used that against her saying she wasnt following treatment so she must be better!

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That's a really good point! I've been taking everything as prescribed, even though some of the meds have pretty rough side effects. I'll definitely continue everything through the review period.

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I just did my continuing disability review last spring. I have lupus and they had me as medical improvement expected too. The form they sent me was actually pretty simple. I just had to list all my doctors, treatments, and how my condition affects me day to day. My advice is don't exaggerate but don't minimize either. If you have bad days and good days, make sure they understand that. They approved my continued benefits with no issues.

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That's encouraging! My rheumatoid arthritis sounds similar to your situation with lupus - I definitely have good and bad days. On a good day I might be able to do a few basic tasks, but then I'm wiped out. Were you worried about how to describe those fluctuations?

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Yes! That was exactly my concern. What helped me was keeping a symptom diary for about a month before filling out the form. I wrote down exactly what I could and couldn't do each day. That way when the form asked about daily activities, I could honestly say something like "On my best days (2-3 days/month) I can cook a simple meal and do light housework. On average days (15-20 days/month) I need help with most tasks and rest frequently. On worst days (5-8 days/month) I'm completely bedridden." That specific information seemed to help them understand the reality of living with a fluctuating condition.

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