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Carmen Ruiz

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has anyone heard if they're changing the survivor rules with that new funding bill? my cousin said they might be cutting benefits again

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Mei Wong

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There's no legislation currently being considered that would reduce survivor benefits. What your cousin might be referring to are the periodic discussions about Social Security's long-term funding, but any proposed changes typically wouldn't affect current or near-term beneficiaries. It's always good to stay informed, but be cautious about rumors. The official SSA website or AARP usually have reliable information about proposed changes to benefits.

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StarStrider

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I want to thank everyone for their helpful responses. This has clarified so much for me during a really difficult time. I'm going to try to get through to SSA to discuss my specific situation, and I'll make sure to gather all those documents mentioned. It's a relief to know that my survivor benefits will be based on his SSDI amount rather than an early retirement calculation. At least that's one less thing to worry about while we focus on making the most of our remaining time together.

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Yuki Sato

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Wishing you and your husband peace and comfort during this difficult time. Please come back if you have any other questions as you navigate this process.

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Dylan Hughes

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Every single time I log into my Social Security account I have a mini heart attack when I see missing earnings for the current year. It's such a terribly designed system that gives no explanation or context for why current year earnings aren't showing. They should at least put a big disclaimer saying "CURRENT YEAR EARNINGS WILL NOT APPEAR UNTIL NEXT YEAR" but noooo, that would be too helpful! 🙄 Has anyone found any tricks to see current year earnings before the official update?

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Ava Thompson

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I know right?! First time I saw that I freaked out thinking my company wasn't paying into SS for me!

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NightOwl42

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Unfortunately, there's no way to see your official Social Security earnings record for the current year until SSA processes the annual wage reports. However, you can track your own records by saving your pay stubs and verifying that Social Security taxes (FICA) are being withheld correctly. Your W-2 at tax time will show your total Social Security wages for the year, which should eventually match what appears in your SSA record.

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Amara Okonkwo

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Thank you everyone for the helpful responses! I'm much less worried now. I'll let my daughter and SIL know this is normal and that they should check again in mid-2025 to make sure their 2024 earnings show up correctly. It really would be nice if the SS website explained this delay more clearly instead of just showing such obviously incorrect numbers without any explanation!

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Sebastian Scott

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My neighbor tried this exact strategy then the market crashed in his first bridge year and he panicked and took SS early anyway. Just something to consider - can you stomach a major market downturn while you're actively withdrawing from your 401k?

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Gabriel Graham

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This is why a proper retirement income strategy should include a cash buffer for market downturns. Ideally, you'd have 1-2 years of expenses in cash or very conservative investments so you can avoid selling equities during market drops. A good approach might be to segment the 401k into buckets: a conservative bucket for the first 1-2 years of bridge income, a moderately conservative bucket for years 3-4, and leaving the remainder invested for long-term growth.

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Drake

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One more important point: run calculations on the tax implications of higher RMDs vs. higher SS benefits. While reducing RMDs is generally helpful, remember that 85% of SS benefits may become taxable if your other income (including RMDs) is high enough. In some cases, the tax advantage of reducing RMDs can be partially offset by increased taxation of your larger SS benefit. This doesn't usually negate the advantage of delaying, but it's something to model in your specific situation. A good tax-focused financial planner can run these projections for you and might identify some additional strategies to minimize lifetime tax burden.

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Alicia Stern

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Thanks for raising this point. I hadn't considered how the higher SS benefit might affect the tax calculation long-term. Sounds like I really should get some professional advice to model all these variables. Appreciate everyone's insights!

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Natasha Petrov

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One more important thing - when SSA withholds benefits due to the earnings test, those months of withholding actually increase your benefit amount once you reach full retirement age. It's as if you hadn't taken benefits during those months, so you get credit for them later. For example, if due to your work in 2024-2025, SSA ends up withholding 6 months worth of benefits before you reach your FRA, when you do reach FRA, they'll recalculate your benefit as if you had started taking benefits 6 months later than you actually did. This results in a higher monthly benefit for the rest of your life. So while it feels like a penalty now, there's a silver lining in the long run.

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Connor O'Brien

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Really?? I never heard that before! So the money they took from me will increase my check later? Does this happen automatically or do I need to ask for it when I hit my full retirement age?

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Javier Morales

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Update: I finally got through to SSA this morning! The representative was actually very helpful. She explained that: 1. I need to report my estimated earnings for the year 2. They'll calculate how much I'll exceed the annual limit 3. They'll withhold some of my monthly benefits in 2025 to recover the excess amount She also confirmed what someone mentioned here - that when I reach my full retirement age, my benefit will be recalculated to credit me for the months where benefits were withheld. I feel much better knowing what to expect now instead of worrying about a surprise bill. Thanks everyone for your help!

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Amina Diallo

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Great news! It's always better to be proactive with these things. And yes, the adjustment at FRA is automatic - you don't need to request it. The SSA computer system will recalculate your benefit amount when you reach your full retirement age.

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Ethan Clark

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I recently went through this when my wife passed. The $255 death benefit is only paid to a surviving spouse who was living with the deceased OR to a surviving spouse or child who is eligible for ongoing survivor benefits on the deceased's record. The benefit isn't paid to funeral homes or estates. You must apply within 2 years of the death. Your mother will need to provide: her SSN, your father's SSN, death certificate, their marriage certificate, and her banking information for direct deposit. She can call SSA at 1-800-772-1213 to apply, but expect long wait times. As others mentioned, the survivor benefits (monthly payments) are much more significant financially than this token death benefit.

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Sean Flanagan

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Thank you for listing all the documents needed. I'll help my mom gather everything before she calls. I appreciate everyone's help with this - it's all new to us and pretty overwhelming.

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Luca Russo

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does that $255 count against the funeral expense deduction on taxes?? anyone know?

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Nia Wilson

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There isn't actually a funeral expense deduction on federal income taxes. Some states have estate or inheritance taxes that might allow deductions for funeral expenses, but the federal government doesn't. The $255 payment is considered a benefit payment and generally isn't taxable income.

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Matthew Sanchez

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my aunt went thru something similar last yr when she switched from her own SS to her husbands survivors after he died. she got like 3 diff deposits over 2 weeks and was super confused. turned out one was retroactive pay, one was an adjustment payment, and one was her regular monthly benefit. the letter explaining it all came like 10 days after the first deposit! SS is always slow with their explanations

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Ryan Andre

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UPDATE: I finally managed to get through to someone at SSA this afternoon! You all were right - the one-time payment was just the first part of my back pay calculation. The representative explained that they're processing the rest of my back payment separately, and I should see another deposit within 5-7 business days. She also confirmed that I'm getting the full 100% of what my second husband would have received at his FRA, not the reduced amount he was taking. The weird amount was because they had to adjust for some months where I received the lower benefit. Thank you all for your help and suggestions!

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Lauren Zeb

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glad u got it figured out! SSA always does things in the most confusing way possible lol

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Admin_Masters

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That's excellent news! This is a perfect example of how SSA processes complex benefit adjustments. They often pay in stages rather than one lump sum, especially when switching between different types of benefits or benefit sources. Thanks for updating us - it'll help others who might experience similar situations in the future.

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Jacinda Yu

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Has anyone tried the online application for survivor benefits? The SSA website says you can apply online but when I tried for my mom it kept giving errors. wondering if thats another option for OP besides going in person?

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Nasira Ibanez

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While SSA does offer online services for many things, initial applications for survivor benefits typically require either a phone interview or in-person visit. This is because they need to verify several items that can't be easily confirmed online. The "errors" you encountered were likely the system recognizing this was a survivor claim that needed personal attention. For retirement benefits, the online system works quite well, but survivor benefits have more complex eligibility factors.

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Geoff Richards

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Update: I went to the office today and got there at 6:45am - there were already 8 people in line! But I did get in during the first group. The process took about 2 hours total, but I'm now officially applied for survivor benefits! The representative confirmed I was absolutely eligible at age 60 (that phone rep was completely wrong). She said I should see my first payment in about 3-4 weeks, and it will include any back benefits from my filing date. The amount was close to what I expected - $1,790 per month. Not as much as I'd get if I waited until FRA, but it will keep a roof over my head right now. Thanks everyone for your advice. Going in person was definitely the right move.

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Simon White

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So glad it worked out for you! That's almost exactly how my experience went too. And yes, sometimes taking the reduced amount early is the right financial decision when you need the income now. You made the right choice for your situation.

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Lucy Lam

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Just to clarify for everyone: - If receiving retirement benefits before Full Retirement Age: The annual earnings limit applies ($22,230 for 2025). SSA deducts $1 for every $2 earned above this limit. - If receiving disability benefits (SSDI): The Substantial Gainful Activity limit applies ($1,550/month for 2025 for non-blind individuals). If you earn more than this amount, benefits can be suspended. These are completely different programs with different rules. OP's situation sounds like a classic case of their record not being properly updated when transitioning from one program to another.

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LordCommander

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wait so if ur on disability u cant even make $1550 a month?? thats less than minimum wage for full time work! how does anyone ever get off disability with limits that low??

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Jayden Hill

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UPDATE: I finally spoke with someone at SSA! You all were right - they still had me classified as receiving disability benefits even though I've been on retirement benefits since February. The representative was actually very helpful once I explained the situation and showed that I had documentation of my retirement application approval. They're expediting the correction and said my benefits should resume with the next payment. They're also processing the back payment for this month. Thank you all SO MUCH for your help in figuring this out! I would have been completely lost without your advice.

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Zoe Wang

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Great news! Make sure you get the name of the representative and some kind of confirmation number for this conversation. It wouldn't hurt to follow up in a week if you don't see the correction processing in your online account.

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Jayden Hill

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Great point! I did get the rep's name (Angela) and she gave me a confirmation number for the case. I'll definitely keep an eye on my account and follow up next week if nothing changes.

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Yuki Watanabe

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I CALLED my congressman's office last week and they said its one of there TOP priorities but who knows what that really means????? they always say that. has ur mom applied for any other benefits? sometimes local senior centers have emergency funds for utility bills and stuff like that might help while were all waiting for congress to DO THEIR JOBS!!!!

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Luca Ricci

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That's a good idea about the senior center. She hasn't looked into that yet. She's pretty independent and doesn't like asking for help, but I'll suggest it. Every little bit helps right now.

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Aisha Mohammed

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One final note: Even if the GPO/WEP repeal passes, implementation might take time. SSA would need to recalculate millions of benefits, so your mother might not see changes immediately. Make sure she keeps all documentation related to both her own work history and your father's pension. Also, have her create a my Social Security account at ssa.gov if she hasn't already - that's where she'd see updates about her benefits if any changes occur.

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Luca Ricci

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Thank you! I'll help her set up that online account. She's not very tech-savvy but it would be good for her to be able to check things there. Really appreciate everyone's help understanding this complicated stuff.

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Ryan Andre

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The advice here seems focused on maximizing your monthly payment, but don't forget to think about your total lifetime benefits too! If you wait 4+ years to claim (assuming your FRA is around 66-67), you're giving up 48+ monthly payments. You'd need to live well into your 80s before the higher monthly amount makes up for all those missed payments. No one can predict how long we'll live, but if you have health concerns or family history of shorter lifespan, claiming earlier often results in more total benefits received over your lifetime.

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This is a valid point about the break-even analysis. Mathematically, the break-even point for early filing vs. FRA is typically around age 78-82 depending on specific circumstances. However, it's also important to consider spousal survivor benefits. If her husband has the higher benefit and predeceases her, she'll step up to his benefit amount. In that scenario, maximizing his benefit through delayed claiming could be more important than maximizing her spousal benefit.

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The Boss

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After reviewing all the advice here, let me summarize the key points for your decision: 1) Your husband's transition from SSDI to retirement benefits won't affect your spousal benefit amount. 2) Filing at 62 gives you about 32.5% of his PIA permanently, while waiting until your FRA gives you 50%. 3) Each month you delay between 62 and FRA increases your benefit percentage slightly. 4) Consider both monthly amount AND lifetime total benefits in your decision. 5) Your financial needs now vs. later should guide your choice - there's no universally "right" answer. I suggest calling SSA to get exact benefit estimates for different filing ages to make an informed decision.

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Mia Roberts

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Thank you so much for this clear summary! I'll definitely call SSA to get the exact numbers for different scenarios. I think I might split the difference and wait a year or two, but not necessarily until my full retirement age. Really appreciate everyone's help!

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