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Darren Brooks

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I want to add one important thing I didn't see mentioned: If you decide to receive survivor benefits now while caring for your daughter (the "mother's/father's benefit"), those benefits will STOP when your daughter turns 16, regardless of your age at that point. You would then need to wait until 60 (which you've already passed) to restart survivor benefits at a reduced rate or wait until FRA for full survivor benefits. Also, if you're planning long-term, consider that: 1. Your daughter will receive survivor benefits until age 18 (or 19 if still in high school) 2. You can switch between survivor and retirement benefits to maximize your lifetime payout 3. Taking your own retirement benefits at 70 would give you the maximum monthly amount (132% of your FRA amount) If you can afford it, working part-time until your FRA while collecting some survivor benefits (below the earnings limit) and your daughter's benefits, then switching to your own maximum benefit at 70, might be your optimal financial strategy.

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Demi Hall

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I tried to do something like this and SSA kept MESSING UP my benefits every time I tried to switch! They actually STOPPED my payments completely for 3 months during one transition! Don't count on them getting it right!!!

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Ben Cooper

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Thank you all SO MUCH for your incredibly helpful advice. I've learned more here than in all my conversations with friends and family about this situation. Based on your suggestions, I'm going to: 1. Schedule an in-person appointment with SSA (with all documents ready) 2. Apply for my daughter's survivor benefits immediately 3. Strongly consider reducing my work hours to get under the earnings limit so I can also claim some survivor benefits while caring for her 4. Plan to switch to my own retirement benefit at FRA or 70 I feel like I finally have a roadmap now! If anyone has additional thoughts or suggestions, I'd love to hear them. And I'll try to come back and update on how things go with SSA. Thanks again for all your help!

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Good luck with your appointment! Just a heads-up that getting that appointment might take some persistence. When I needed to sort out my mom's benefits after adopting my niece, it took me over 3 weeks to get through on the phone. If you run into trouble reaching someone to schedule, that Claimyr service I mentioned earlier can help with that too. The peace of mind from having this figured out will be so worth it!

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Connor Richards

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My wifes cousin took hers at 62 also and her husband waited til 70!! They said it was the best of both worlds - some money now and bigger checks later. Seems like a smart plan to me

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Lucy Lam

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Thanks everyone for the great advice! I think I'm going to go ahead and file now at 62 since we could use the extra income, and it sounds like it won't hurt my husband's benefits when he files at 67. I'm especially relieved about the survivor benefits situation. I'll definitely check out that Claimyr service to get through to SSA - I have a few more questions I'd like to ask them directly.

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Zoe Wang

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That sounds like a reasonable plan! Just make one final check about your earnings situation to make sure you won't hit that earnings limit, and you should be good to go. Best of luck with your filing!

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Seraphina Delan

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There's a special provision for divorced spouses - you can actually receive benefits on your ex's record if you've been divorced for at least two years, even if he hasn't filed yet, as long as he's eligible (62+). This is called the two-year divorce rule or "independently entitled divorced spouse" provision. Since he's 66 and eligible, you should be able to get your benefits regardless of whether he's filed yet. When you contact SSA, specifically mention this provision if they try to tell you that you have to wait for him to file. Not all representatives are familiar with this rule.

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Nia Watson

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this is why the system is so broken!!! even their own employees dont know all the rules and give wrong info all the time!! my cousin was told 3 different things by 3 different people at SSA about widow benefits!!

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Niko Ramsey

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Thank you all for the helpful information! I'm going to try the Claimyr service tomorrow to actually get through to someone. Then I'll specifically ask about the "independently entitled divorced spouse" provision since we've been divorced for 7 years. I'll also look into emergency assistance through my county as a backup plan. Will update here if I make any progress. Fingers crossed I can get this resolved before the alimony stops!

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Jabari-Jo

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Good plan. One last tip - when you do speak with SSA, ask them to make a note in your file about your financial hardship due to the alimony ending. While they don't have an official "expedite" process, files with documented hardship sometimes get prioritized. Best of luck and let us know how it goes!

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Sofia Morales

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I don't have advice but I'm in a similar situation. Turned 65 last month and just got laid off after 20 years with the same company. So confusing trying to figure out Medicare + Social Security + job hunting all at the same time. It's overwhelming!!! I'm leaning toward taking SS now because honestly who knows what will happen with the program in the future? Bird in hand and all that...

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For someone just turning 65, you face even more complicated timing decisions with Medicare. Remember that even if you delay Social Security, you should still sign up for Medicare at 65 to avoid late enrollment penalties. You can enroll in Medicare without starting your Social Security benefits.

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After reading all the comments, here's what I'd suggest based on my own experience and financial background: 1. File for benefits now to preserve your savings 2. Continue looking for work (remember, at FRA there's no earnings limit) 3. If you find work within 12 months, consider the withdrawal option if it makes financial sense 4. If your savings are in growth investments, definitely lean toward taking SS now to avoid selling investments in a down market The peace of mind of regular income shouldn't be underestimated either. Retirement is supposed to be a time of reduced stress, not increased anxiety about finances.

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Amara Nnamani

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Thank you for this thoughtful summary. I think I'm leaning toward filing now, continuing my job search, and keeping the withdrawal option in my back pocket if I find something soon. That flexibility seems like the best approach given all the uncertainty.

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Hannah White

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ur hubby and mine should talk my husband had that exact surgery they said paralysis might happen but he was up walking 2 days later back to work in 3 months doctors always say the worst case scenario but most ppl do fine

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Isaiah Thompson

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This is off-topic from the Social Security question being discussed. Let's help the OP with her earnings limit question rather than medical anecdotes.

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Victoria Jones

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To summarize the correct information: 1. Since 2025 is your FRA year, the higher earnings limit ($62,160) applies for the ENTIRE year. 2. For January and February (before you reach FRA), Social Security will deduct $1 for every $3 you earn above that limit. 3. Starting in March when you reach FRA, there is NO earnings limit at all - you can earn any amount without reduction. 4. If you start benefits in January, you'll receive slightly reduced benefits (approximately 1.1% reduction for each month before FRA). Given your husband's health situation, starting in January makes perfect sense. You'll have the security of income if you need to reduce work hours, but still have substantial room to earn under that higher limit if his recovery goes well and you can continue working.

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Thank you for this clear summary. This is exactly what I needed to understand. The permanent reduction for claiming early is small enough that the security of having benefits during this uncertain time seems worth it. I appreciate everyone's help!

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Xan Dae

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dont bother with the form right now. u cant do anything til your in payment status thats what the lady at the office told me when i tried last yr. they just put the form in a pile and forget about it i swear!! best thing is to go IN PERSON to local office if u can get appointment bring the form and ask them to put it in system right there while u watch

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Fiona Gallagher

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This is actually good advice. If you can get an in-person appointment (use the online scheduler), bringing the W-4V form with you is the most reliable method. They'll scan it directly into your file while you're there, and you can get confirmation it was processed correctly.

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Fidel Carson

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Update on my earlier comment - I just remembered that while I did submit my W-4V before getting my verification letter, I had already received confirmation that my application was approved. So that might be the key distinction. You might want to wait until you at least get the approval notification (which usually comes before the verification letter) before submitting the W-4V.

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Ana Rusula

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Thanks for clarifying! That makes sense. I'll wait for the application approval notification at least, then submit the form right away.

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Sydney Torres

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Just to share my experience - I had a horrible time trying to figure all this out when I was applying for benefits on my ex's record. The SSA website is confusing, and getting someone on the phone was nearly impossible. Once I finally got through to SSA, the person I spoke with was very helpful and walked me through everything. But it took weeks of frustration to reach that point. For what it's worth, no, they never contacted me about being eligible for ex-spouse benefits. I only found out from a financial advisor who happened to mention it during a consultation about retirement planning.

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Kelsey Hawkins

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That's pretty much what I figured - looks like they don't notify people at all. I'm glad your financial advisor caught it! Did you have to provide your ex's Social Security number when you applied?

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Sydney Torres

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Yes, I did need to provide my ex's Social Security number. I was worried because we haven't spoken in years, but fortunately I had it on some old tax documents. If you don't have their SSN, the SSA can sometimes find it if you provide their date of birth and parents' names, but it makes the process much more complicated and time-consuming.

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Dylan Fisher

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i forgot to mention - when ur ex applies for benefits on ur record, you will NEVER get any kind of notification from SSA. they wont tell u that someone filed on ur record or is getting paid based on ur work. complete privacy both ways. they take that super serious.

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Kelsey Hawkins

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That's good to know. I wasn't sure if I'd get some kind of notice or anything. Sounds like they keep everything confidential.

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Isabella Costa

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Make sure they check if your ex has multiple exes filing on his record! Many people don't realize there's no 'family maximum' for divorced spouse benefits - each eligible ex-spouse can receive benefits without reducing the others. But it DOES affect survivor benefits later, which is something to keep in mind for future planning.

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Natasha Orlova

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whaaaaat?? i didnt know that! i was worried about my ex's new wife affecting my benefit amount. good to know!

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Oliver Schulz

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On your call, request a complete breakdown of your benefit calculation in writing. SSA should send you an award letter after your claim is processed, but it doesn't always show the detailed math. Specifically ask for: 1. Your PIA based on your own work record 2. The spousal benefit amount you're eligible for (up to 50% of ex's PIA) 3. The excess amount (the difference between #2 and #1) 4. How continuing to work might change these calculations Keep detailed notes during your call - write down the name and direct extension of anyone helpful that you speak with. If you need clarification later, it's much easier if you can get back to the same person rather than explaining everything to someone new. Also, while your current earnings won't reduce benefits at FRA, they could potentially increase your own PIA if these are high-earning years for you, which might reduce the spousal excess portion (though your total would remain the same or increase).

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Amina Diallo

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This is really thorough, thank you! I'll definitely ask for everything in writing and keep careful notes. My current salary is actually higher than many of my earlier working years, so it sounds like continuing to work might actually increase my own PIA over time. I'll make sure to ask about how that could impact the calculations going forward.

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Evelyn Kim

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I'm still confused about one thing - does the annual earnings limit ($22,320 for 2025) get prorated if you're only subject to the limit for part of the year? Like if OP starts benefits in August, does the limit for Jan-July become 7/12 of the annual amount?

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Margot Quinn

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Great question! The annual limit doesn't get prorated based on when you start benefits. However, there's a special rule for the first year you claim benefits called the "monthly earnings test." If you start benefits mid-year and haven't exceeded the annual limit before your start date, SSA can apply a monthly limit ($1,860 in 2025) for the remaining months. This wouldn't apply to the original poster if they're waiting until their FRA month to start benefits, since there's no limit once they reach FRA.

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Emma Johnson

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To simplify what's been said and clarify a key point: if you wait until August 2025 (your FRA month) to START collecting Social Security benefits, then: 1. Your January-July 2025 earnings won't affect your benefits at all, regardless of amount 2. From August onward, you can earn unlimited income with no benefit reduction The earnings test only applies when you're actually receiving benefits before FRA. Since you're planning to start benefits exactly at your FRA month, the earnings test essentially doesn't apply to your situation at all. This is one of the advantages of waiting until exactly your FRA month to start benefits.

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Raúl Mora

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Thank you for this clear explanation! That's a huge relief. I was getting lost in all the different scenarios and limits. So essentially, by waiting until my FRA month to start benefits, I avoid all the earnings test complications completely.

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Santiago Diaz

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btw are you sure your own benefit is only $1450? might be worth checking your earnings record on the ssa website to make sure they have all your working years correct. my wife found they were missing 3 years of her work and it bumped her benefit up almost $200

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That's a good idea! I haven't actually checked my earnings record in a couple years. I'll definitely do that before I file.

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Debra Bai

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To summarize the key points about spousal benefits for anyone else reading this thread: 1. Spousal benefits are based on 50% of the higher earner's PIA (benefit at Full Retirement Age) 2. Delayed retirement credits earned by the higher earner (by waiting past FRA up to age 70) do NOT increase spousal benefits 3. The excess spousal benefit is the difference between your own benefit and the spousal benefit (if the spousal is higher) 4. Claiming before your own FRA will reduce both your own benefit and your spousal benefit 5. Survivor benefits (after a spouse dies) ARE affected by delayed retirement credits This is definitely one of the most confusing aspects of Social Security for many people.

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Thank you for this clear summary! I think I understand how it all works now. I appreciate everyone's help in clearing this up.

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