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Ana Rusula

Can I submit federal tax withholding form for Social Security before getting verification letter?

I just submitted my retirement application online and my first Social Security payment should arrive in February 2025. I want to have federal taxes withheld right from the start to avoid quarterly estimated tax payments. Do I need to wait until I receive my benefit verification letter before I can submit the voluntary tax withholding request (Form W-4V)? Or can I submit it now that my application is in process? I've heard conflicting information and don't want to miss tax withholding on my first payment. Thanks for any guidance!

Fidel Carson

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You can submit Form W-4V for tax withholding before you receive your verification letter. As long as you've submitted your retirement application and it's being processed, you can go ahead and submit the tax withholding form. Just make sure to include your Social Security number and all required information on the form. I did this last year and had withholding set up from my very first payment.

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Ana Rusula

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That's a huge relief! I'll download the W-4V today and get it submitted. Do you happen to know how long it typically takes for the withholding request to be processed?

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I tried submitting my W-4V form before getting my verification letter and SSA rejected it. They said they couldn't process my withholding request until my benefit claim was fully approved. Had to wait 6 weeks after application approval, then submit it again. Different field offices might handle it differently though.

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Ana Rusula

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Oh no, that's exactly what I was worried about. Did they at least backdate the withholding once they processed your form?

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Xan Dae

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they never backdate tax withholding!! i learned this the hard way last year and got stuck with big quarterly payment when i wasnt expecting it

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You might want to double-check with your local SSA office specifically. I've had this exact issue and got different answers from different SSA representatives. The rules are technically that you CAN submit the W-4V before receiving your first payment, but some offices won't process it until your benefit claim is fully approved and in payment status. It's really frustrating!

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Thais Soares

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GOOD LUCK trying to reach a real person at SSA to get an answer!! Their phone system is a NIGHTMARE and I spent THREE HOURS on hold last month trying to get a straight answer about tax withholding. By the time I finally got through, the rep contradicted what their website says!! The whole system is designed to make you give up.

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Nalani Liu

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Financial planner here. The official SSA procedure is that you can submit Form W-4V anytime after your application has been submitted, but the withholding request won't be processed until your application is approved and you're in payment status. However, if you submit early, it should be in their system waiting to be processed as soon as you're approved. For February 2025 payments, I recommend submitting the W-4V by mid-December 2024 at the latest to ensure it's processed in time. You have several withholding percentage options: 7%, 10%, 12%, or 22%. Choose based on your overall tax situation. If you don't get withholding set up in time for your first payment, remember you can always make estimated tax payments directly to the IRS using Form 1040-ES.

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Ana Rusula

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Thank you for this detailed explanation! I'll aim to get it submitted by early December then. I'm planning to choose the 12% withholding option based on my overall retirement income. Really appreciate your help!

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Axel Bourke

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Thais Soares

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I've never heard of this service before. Does it actually work? I'm suspicious of anything claiming to help with government services...

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Axel Bourke

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It definitely worked for me. They don't handle anything themselves - they just connect you with actual SSA agents through their system. I was skeptical too but was desperate after being on hold for hours across multiple days.

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Here's what worked for me: I submitted my W-4V form TWICE. First, right after applying for benefits (which got rejected). Then again immediately after I got the approval letter. The second one was processed without any issues. If I were you, I'd submit now AND plan to submit again after approval. Double the work but better chance of getting it processed in time for your first payment.

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Ana Rusula

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That's actually a smart approach - I might do exactly that. Submit now and then again after approval. Better safe than sorry! Thank you for the suggestion.

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Xan Dae

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dont bother with the form right now. u cant do anything til your in payment status thats what the lady at the office told me when i tried last yr. they just put the form in a pile and forget about it i swear!! best thing is to go IN PERSON to local office if u can get appointment bring the form and ask them to put it in system right there while u watch

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This is actually good advice. If you can get an in-person appointment (use the online scheduler), bringing the W-4V form with you is the most reliable method. They'll scan it directly into your file while you're there, and you can get confirmation it was processed correctly.

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Fidel Carson

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Update on my earlier comment - I just remembered that while I did submit my W-4V before getting my verification letter, I had already received confirmation that my application was approved. So that might be the key distinction. You might want to wait until you at least get the approval notification (which usually comes before the verification letter) before submitting the W-4V.

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Ana Rusula

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Thanks for clarifying! That makes sense. I'll wait for the application approval notification at least, then submit the form right away.

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Emma Morales

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I went through this same situation last year and found that the timing really depends on your specific SSA office. What I ended up doing was calling the national SSA number (1-800-772-1213) and asking them to note in my file that I wanted tax withholding set up as soon as my benefits were approved. Then I mailed my W-4V form with a cover letter referencing that phone call and my application number. When my first payment came through, the withholding was already in place. It might be worth trying this approach - get it documented in your file early, even if the form itself can't be processed until approval.

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This is really helpful advice! I like the idea of getting it documented in my file through the phone call first. That way there's a paper trail showing I requested withholding early, even if the actual form processing has to wait. I'm going to try calling tomorrow and ask them to add a note to my file about wanting tax withholding set up immediately upon approval. Then I'll mail the W-4V with a reference to that call. Thanks for sharing what worked for you!

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I'm going through this exact same process right now and the conflicting information is so frustrating! After reading all these responses, I think I'm going to take a multi-pronged approach: 1) Call the national SSA line to get a note added to my file requesting immediate withholding setup upon approval, 2) Submit my W-4V form by mail with a cover letter referencing my application number, and 3) If possible, schedule an in-person appointment to confirm everything is properly documented. It seems like being proactive and using multiple channels gives the best chance of getting withholding set up from the first payment. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world advice you can't find on the official SSA website!

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This is such a comprehensive approach! I'm new to navigating Social Security but have been following this thread closely since I'm in a similar situation. Your multi-pronged strategy makes a lot of sense given all the conflicting experiences people have shared here. I especially like the idea of getting documentation at multiple touchpoints - phone call note, mailed form with cover letter, and in-person confirmation. It seems like the key is creating a clear paper trail that shows you requested withholding as early as possible. I'm going to bookmark this thread and follow your approach when I submit my own application next month. Thanks for synthesizing all the advice here into such a practical action plan!

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