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I went through something similar last year when I delayed my benefits for 8 months past FRA. The benefit verification letter only showed my base FRA amount, but when my first payment came through, it included all the delayed retirement credits correctly calculated. One thing that helped put my mind at ease was logging into my Social Security account and checking the "View Estimated Benefits" section - sometimes that shows a more accurate picture than the verification letter. Also, if you have your award letter from when you were approved in August, that should show the correct monthly amount including DRCs. The good news is that even if there is an error, Social Security is required to pay any back benefits owed once it's corrected. But based on my experience and what others have shared here, you'll likely see the right amount in October. Good luck!
That's a great point about checking the "View Estimated Benefits" section! I didn't think to look there. I'll go check that out right now to see if it shows a different amount than the verification letter. And yes, I do have my award letter from August - I should probably dig that out and see what it says about my monthly amount. Thanks for the suggestion!
I'm going through the exact same situation right now! I delayed my benefits for 5 months past my FRA and my benefit verification letter also only shows the base amount without the delayed retirement credits. Reading through all these responses has been really reassuring - it sounds like this is totally normal and the actual payment should include the correct amount with DRCs. I'm also scheduled to get my first payment in October, so I guess we'll both find out together! The explanation about the verification letter showing just the PIA (Primary Insurance Amount) makes a lot of sense. It's frustrating that their online system doesn't give us the full picture, but at least now I know not to panic about it. Thanks for posting this question - you probably helped a lot of people who are in the same boat!
I'm a bit confused about something - if I already started receiving my Social Security benefits but haven't set up tax withholding yet, do I need to worry about owing penalties for underpayment when I file my taxes next year? I keep reading about people getting hit with big tax bills, but I'm wondering if there are also penalty fees on top of that. Also, for those who've been through this - is there a way to estimate roughly how much I should expect to owe in taxes so I can figure out the right withholding percentage? I'm getting about $1,800/month from SS and making around $1,200/month from part-time work. Just trying to avoid any nasty surprises! Thanks for all the helpful advice in this thread - definitely learned something new today!
Great question about penalties! Yes, you could potentially face underpayment penalties if you owe more than $1,000 when you file, unless you pay at least 90% of the current year's tax liability or 100% of last year's tax (110% if your prior year AGI was over $150k). With your income ($1,800 SS + $1,200 part-time = $3,000/month or $36k annually), you'll definitely be in taxable territory. A rough estimate: if about 85% of your SS benefits become taxable, that's around $18,360 + $14,400 from work = $32,760 taxable income. Depending on your filing status and other factors, you might owe $3,000-4,000+ in federal taxes. I'd honestly recommend starting with 12% withholding given your income level - that would be about $216/month withheld, which should help cover most of your tax liability. You can always adjust it later if needed. Better to be safe than sorry with penalties on top of the tax bill! The online W-4V submission really is the fastest route based on what others have shared here.
I'm actually a tax preparer and see this situation ALL the time during tax season. Just wanted to add a few practical points: 1. If you're worried about penalties, you can also make quarterly estimated payments directly to the IRS (Form 1040ES) instead of or in addition to SS withholding. Some people prefer this because they have more control over the amounts. 2. Don't forget that if you had taxes withheld from your part-time job last year, you might already be meeting the "safe harbor" rule (paying 100% of last year's tax liability) even without SS withholding. 3. For quick estimation: take your total annual income, subtract the standard deduction ($13,850 for single filers in 2023), and multiply by your tax rate. This gives you a ballpark figure for planning. 4. One thing people often miss - if you live in one of those 12 states that tax SS benefits, you'll need to factor that in too when choosing your withholding percentage. The W-4V online submission really is the way to go - I've had clients who got it processed in just 2-3 weeks that way. Much better than the phone maze!
This thread has been incredibly helpful! As someone who will be turning 62 next year and considering my options, it's great to see the clear consensus about the 3-4 month application window. I'm still debating whether to take benefits at 62 with the reduction or wait until my FRA, but at least now I know the timing for when I do decide to apply. The tip about checking your earnings record early is golden - I just logged into my Social Security account and found a couple of years where my earnings look lower than I remember. Better to get that sorted out now than discover it during the application process. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences!
This is such a helpful thread! I'm new to navigating Social Security benefits and was completely overwhelmed by all the different timelines and rules. Reading through everyone's experiences has really clarified things for me. The consensus on the 3-4 month application window is super clear, and I love that we even got input from an actual SSA employee. I'm not quite at retirement age yet, but I'm definitely bookmarking this conversation for when I need it. The tip about checking your earnings record early seems like something everyone should do regardless of when they plan to retire - better safe than sorry!
As someone who just went through this process last month, I can definitely confirm the 3-4 month window everyone's mentioned. I applied exactly 3 months before my benefit start date and everything processed smoothly. One thing I didn't see mentioned here is that you should also consider when you want your FIRST payment to arrive. SSA processes payments on a schedule based on your birth date, but there can be a slight delay for your very first payment as they set up your account in their system. My first payment came about a week later than subsequent ones, so factor that into your planning. Also, if you have direct deposit set up (which I highly recommend), make sure your bank account information is current in your Social Security account before you apply - it'll save you time during the application process.
This is such a comprehensive discussion! As someone who recently went through a similar situation with my disabled daughter, I want to emphasize something that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure to understand the timing of when benefits actually change. When my spouse started working and her CIC benefits began reducing due to earnings, there was about a 2-3 month lag before my daughter's DAC benefits increased to compensate. During that period, our total family benefits were actually lower than they should have been under the FMB rules. SSA eventually corrected this with retroactive payments, but it created some budgeting challenges in the interim. So @Jamal Wilson, when your wife starts working, be prepared for potential temporary reductions in total family benefits while the system catches up with the recalculations. Also, I'd strongly recommend setting up a my Social Security account online if you haven't already. It makes tracking these monthly benefit adjustments much easier, and you can spot discrepancies quickly rather than waiting for paper statements. The key takeaway from everyone's experiences here seems to be: the system does work as intended (benefits redistribute under the FMB as earnings change), but it's not always immediate or error-free, so active monitoring and good record-keeping are essential.
@Diego Ramirez, thank you for bringing up the timing issue - that's exactly the kind of practical detail I needed to know! A 2-3 month lag could definitely create budgeting challenges, especially when you're counting on those benefits for care expenses. I'll make sure to plan for that potential temporary shortfall and set aside some funds to bridge any gaps. The my Social Security account tip is great too - I should definitely get that set up before I file so I can monitor everything from the start. It sounds like being proactive about tracking these changes is really the key to catching any errors early. This whole discussion has been incredibly valuable. I came in confused about how opensocialsecurity.com was calculating things, and now I have a much clearer picture of not just how the family benefits should work in theory, but also what to expect in practice with timing delays, potential errors, and the importance of documentation. Thank you to everyone who shared their real-world experiences - it's made all the difference in helping me prepare for this process!
I want to add one more practical consideration that might be helpful for your planning. When your wife's earnings cause her CIC benefits to reduce, make sure you understand exactly how the earnings test works for child-in-care benefits. For 2024, if your wife is under full retirement age, she can earn up to $22,320 without any reduction in benefits. After that, benefits are reduced by $1 for every $2 earned above the limit. This means the reduction in her CIC benefits (and corresponding increase in your DAC's benefits) won't happen all at once, but gradually as her earnings increase throughout the year. This is important for budgeting because if your wife starts a job mid-year, the benefit adjustments will be based on her projected annual earnings, but SSA will recalculate at the end of the year based on actual earnings. This can sometimes result in either overpayments that need to be repaid or underpayments that get corrected with retroactive payments. I'd suggest when your wife starts working, try to provide SSA with realistic annual earnings projections so the monthly benefit adjustments are as accurate as possible from the start. This can help minimize those end-of-year reconciliation issues that several people mentioned experiencing.
@Sophia Gabriel, this is such an important point about the earnings test thresholds and gradual benefit reductions! I hadn't fully considered how the timing of when my wife starts working during the year would affect the calculations. The $22,320 threshold for 2024 is really helpful to know - that gives us a concrete number to work with when planning her work schedule. The point about providing realistic annual earnings projections to SSA is especially valuable. It sounds like being as accurate as possible upfront could save a lot of headaches with overpayments or underpayments later. I'm definitely going to discuss this with my wife so we can give SSA the most accurate projection possible when she starts working. This whole thread has been like a masterclass in navigating family benefit calculations! Between the FMB mechanics, timing delays, record-keeping requirements, and now the earnings test details, I feel like I have a comprehensive roadmap for what to expect. Thank you everyone for sharing your real-world experiences - it's been incredibly helpful for someone trying to plan this out properly.
Luca Esposito
I'm new to this community but wanted to add something I learned when my elderly neighbor went through a similar situation. In addition to all the great advice about protecting Social Security benefits, your dad should also be aware that some creditors will try scare tactics like calling multiple times a day or sending threatening letters to pressure seniors into paying from their protected income. He has rights under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (FDCPA) - he can demand they only contact him in writing, and he can dispute the debt if there are any inaccuracies. Also, if this goes to court, many courts have "senior dockets" or expedited hearings for people over 65 to reduce stress. The most important thing is that your dad shouldn't feel ashamed - co-signing for family is something many loving parents do, and he couldn't have predicted your brother would completely abandon his responsibility. Focus on the practical steps everyone mentioned, and remember that there are legal protections specifically designed for people in his exact situation.
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Alejandro Castro
•Welcome to the community! Your point about the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act is really important - I hadn't thought about the harassment aspect. My dad has been getting multiple calls daily and it's really wearing on him mentally. Knowing he can demand written communication only could give him some peace of mind. The information about senior dockets is also new to me and could be really helpful if this does end up in court. You're so right about not feeling ashamed - I keep telling him the same thing, but it helps to hear it from others who understand these situations. Thank you for sharing your neighbor's experience and for being so supportive to newcomers here. This community has been incredibly helpful during a really stressful time for our family.
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CosmicCommander
•I'm also new here and want to echo what everyone has said about the FDCPA protections. Your dad can also request "debt validation" in writing within 30 days of first contact, which requires the creditor to prove they actually own the debt and have the right to collect it. Sometimes debts get sold between companies and the paperwork gets messy. Also, if your dad is feeling overwhelmed by the calls, he might want to consider getting a Google Voice number and having all creditor communications go through that instead of his main phone - it can help reduce the stress of constant interruptions. The emotional support aspect is just as important as the legal protection. Make sure your dad knows that seeking help and asking questions like this shows wisdom, not weakness. You're being a great advocate for him during this difficult time.
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StellarSurfer
I'm new to this community but wanted to share some perspective as someone who works with seniors facing similar situations. Your dad's Social Security benefits are indeed protected from garnishment for private debts like this promissory note, but I want to emphasize something crucial that others have touched on - time is really important here. The sooner he takes protective steps with his banking, the better. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that your dad should also check if the promissory note has any specific language about what happens in case of default. Sometimes these documents include clauses about payment acceleration, additional fees, or even personal property as collateral. Understanding exactly what he signed can help determine negotiation leverage. Also, since this involves family and the emotional toll is so high, I'd suggest your dad consider reaching out to a senior counseling service or support group. The financial stress is one thing, but the betrayal by his son adds another layer of trauma that shouldn't be ignored. Many Area Agencies on Aging offer both legal resources AND emotional support services specifically for seniors dealing with family financial conflicts. The community here has given excellent practical advice - definitely prioritize protecting that bank account and documenting everything. Your dad sounds like he has a caring advocate in you, which makes all the difference in situations like this.
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