Can my divorced disabled mother receive survivor benefits if ex-husband dies before her? SS benefit calculation help
I've been researching Social Security survivor benefits and I'm confused about my mother's situation. My mom has been receiving SSDI since she became disabled at age 52 (about $1,875 monthly). My father took early retirement at 62 and gets around $3,750 in retirement benefits. They finalized their divorce about 3 months ago after 34 years of marriage. If my dad passes away first, would my mom be eligible for survivor benefits as a divorced spouse? She's concerned about making ends meet on just her disability payment. How would SSA calculate what she might receive? Would she get some percentage of his benefit? Also, does it matter that she's on disability rather than retirement benefits? She's 60 now and he's 68. Any insights would be really helpful - trying to help them both plan ahead.
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Dmitry Smirnov
Yes, your mother would likely qualify for divorced widow's benefits if your father passes away first. Since they were married for more than 10 years (34 years is well above the minimum), and she hasn't remarried, she meets the basic eligibility requirements. The calculation gets a bit complex, but generally she would receive the higher of either her own SSDI benefit or up to 100% of your father's benefit amount. Since his benefit is significantly higher, this could be very beneficial for her. The fact that she's on disability rather than retirement doesn't disqualify her, but it does affect how SSA handles the benefits. They won't stack - she'll get the higher of the two amounts. She might receive a small supplement to bring her SSDI up to the survivor benefit level.
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Sofia Perez
•Thank you so much for explaining this! It's a relief to know she'd qualify. Quick follow-up question: Would she receive 100% of his current $3,750, or would it be reduced since he took early retirement at 62? I've read something about benefits being based on the "full retirement amount" rather than the actual amount received.
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ElectricDreamer
my mom went thru this exact thing!! divorced after 22 yrs, was on disability, when dad died she got his benefit instead of her smaller one. took like 6 weeks to switch over tho and was a NIGHTMARE dealing with ssa on phone. she ended up with about $900 more per month
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Ava Johnson
•THIS!!!! The SSA phone system is IMPOSSIBLE to navigate!!! I spent FOUR HOURS on hold last month trying to fix my mom's address change and got disconnected THREE TIMES. The whole system is designed to make you give up!!!!!
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Miguel Diaz
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Zainab Ahmed
The previous responses are mostly correct, but I want to clarify a few important details about divorced widow's benefits: 1. Your mother's potential survivor benefit would be based on your father's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA), not his reduced benefit amount. The PIA is what he would have received at his Full Retirement Age, not the reduced amount from claiming at 62. 2. Since your mother is disabled and already receiving SSDI, when she reaches her FRA (probably 67 depending on birth year), she can receive up to 100% of your father's PIA if he passes away. 3. If your father passes before your mother reaches her FRA and she claims survivor benefits early, there would be a reduction factor applied. 4. The switch from SSDI to survivor benefits isn't automatic - she would need to apply when the time comes. 5. There's also something called the RIB-LIM rule that might apply in her case, which can affect the calculation if she takes benefits early. I recommend she schedule an appointment with SSA to get a personalized benefits calculation based on both their exact records.
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Sofia Perez
•This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I had no idea about the PIA vs reduced benefit distinction. She'll be relieved to hear this might be more beneficial than we thought. I'll make sure she knows she needs to apply rather than expecting an automatic switch. What's the RIB-LIM rule? I've never heard of that before.
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Connor Byrne
•wait im confused. so she gets his full pia even tho he took early retirement and got less? that doesn't seem fair to people who wait till FRA to collect.
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Yara Abboud
Im in almost the same boat!!! My parents divorced after 29 yrs and mom is disabled (57) and dad retired early (65). The SSA told us mom can get divorced spouse benefits NOW even while dad is still alive because shes over 50 and disabled. Did anyone tell you about that option??
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Dmitry Smirnov
•You're referring to disabled divorced spouse benefits, which is different from what the original poster was asking about (survivor benefits if the ex-husband dies). But you make a good point - if someone is disabled, at least 50 years old, and divorced from someone eligible for Social Security benefits, they might qualify for benefits on their ex-spouse's record even while the ex-spouse is still living. The marriage must have lasted at least 10 years, and the benefit amount would be 50% of the ex-spouse's PIA (not 100% like with survivor benefits). This might be worth exploring for the original poster's mother, especially if her disability benefit is significantly lower than 50% of her ex-husband's PIA.
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Ava Johnson
Sorry but this is EXACTLY why I tell everyone to be VERY careful about taking early retirement!!! Your dad lost THOUSANDS by claiming at 62! His benefit would be at least $4500-5000 if he had waited until 70!!! And now your mom might get less survivor benefits because of his decision!!! Social Security is SO COMPLICATED and the govt makes it IMPOSSIBLE to understand on purpose!!!
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ElectricDreamer
•ppl take early ss for lots of reasons tho... maybe he had health issues or needed the $ right away?? not everyone can wait till 70
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Sofia Perez
Thank you all for the helpful responses! Based on your advice, I've talked with my mom and we're going to: 1. Calculate what 100% of dad's PIA would be (vs his reduced benefit) 2. Compare that to her current SSDI amount 3. Make sure she understands she'll need to apply for survivor benefits if/when the time comes It's a relief to know she'd have options if something happens to my dad. The divorce has been stressful enough without worrying about financial insecurity. I appreciate everyone sharing their knowledge and personal experiences!
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Dmitry Smirnov
•That sounds like a solid plan. One additional suggestion: your mother should create a my Social Security account at ssa.gov if she hasn't already. This will allow her to see her own earnings record and benefit estimates. While it won't show potential survivor benefits, it's still helpful to have all her current information organized and accessible. It will make the application process smoother if/when she needs to apply for survivor benefits in the future.
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