Social Security survivor benefits for 76-year-old widow - husband just passed at 68 with higher SSDI benefit
My mother-in-law just lost her husband yesterday and I'm trying to help her understand what happens next with Social Security. She's 76 and currently receives $1,250/month in SS retirement. Her husband was 68 (almost 69) and was receiving $3,100/month in SSDI benefits which he started getting about 3 years ago. He had already reached his full retirement age before passing. They have zero savings, no pensions, nothing else to fall back on. I'm confused about survivor benefits in this situation where she's older and already collecting SS. Will she be able to switch to a survivor benefit based on his higher amount? How much would that be? Most examples I've found online are about younger widows. Anyone have experience with this specific situation? I'm meeting with her tomorrow and want to have some answers ready. This is all so overwhelming for her right now.
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Ethan Clark
First, please accept my condolences for your mother-in-law's loss. To answer your question - yes, she should be eligible to receive survivor benefits based on her late husband's record, and in this case, it would likely be advantageous for her to switch. Since her husband was receiving $3,100 and she's only getting $1,250, she could receive up to 100% of what he was receiving since she's well past her full retirement age. She should contact Social Security immediately (within the first month if possible) as benefits are not always automatically adjusted, and some benefits like the one-time death payment of $255 must be claimed within a specific timeframe.
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Aisha Hussain
•Thank you so much for this information. This is exactly what I needed to know. So she could potentially get the full $3,100 he was receiving? That would make such a difference for her. I'll make sure she contacts SSA right away. Is there anything specific she needs to bring when she goes to the SSA office?
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StarStrider
my mom went thru this last year when dad passed. make sure she brings the death certificate, their marriage certificate, both ss cards, and her ID. they'll want ALL of it trust me. the funeral home should give her several copies of the death certificate, tell her not to be cheap about getting extras!!
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Aisha Hussain
•Thanks for the tip about the extra death certificates. I wouldn't have thought about that. The funeral home is meeting with us tomorrow so I'll make sure we request plenty of copies.
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Yuki Sato
I went through this exact situation when my husband passed. Your mother-in-law will be entitled to receive a survivor benefit equal to 100% of what her husband was receiving, which would replace her smaller benefit. She won't receive both - it's one or the other, whichever is higher. Since she's over FRA, there are no reductions to worry about. What she needs to know: 1. Call SSA first to report the death and schedule an appointment 2. This CANNOT be done online - must be in person or by phone 3. The $255 death benefit is separate and she should specifically ask about it 4. If he received a payment for the month he died, they may ask for it back depending on the date 5. The survivor benefit doesn't start automatically - she MUST apply Hope this helps. I know it's overwhelming.
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Carmen Ruiz
•I'd like to add that she should check her bank account before the appointment. When my dad died they asked mom for exact dates of deposits and amounts. Also ask if there's any retroactive benefits owed - my mom got an unexpected back payment two months later!
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Andre Lefebvre
Sorry for your loss. When my husband passed last year, I spent THREE WEEKS trying to get through to SSA on the phone!!! It was horrible - kept disconnecting me after an hour on hold. I finally found out about a service called Claimyr that got me connected to an actual SSA agent in 20 minutes. Literally saved me weeks of frustration. I just visited claimyr.com and they connected me right away. They even have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU Trust me, the LAST thing your mother-in-law needs right now is to deal with busy signals and disconnections. The survivor benefit paperwork is time-sensitive!
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Zoe Alexopoulos
•Does that service really work? I hate waiting on hold forever. Might use it for my retirement questions too
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Andre Lefebvre
•Yes, it absolutely worked for me! I was skeptical but desperate after so many failed attempts to reach SSA. They connected me to a real person at SSA in about 20 minutes. Much better than the days of trying on my own.
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Jamal Anderson
I HATE how the whole system works!!!! My sister had the EXACT same situation and SSA didn't tell her ANYTHING!!! She was getting $1100/mo and her husband got $2700 and after he died they just kept paying her the $1100!!! For SIX MONTHS until I went with her to SSA!!! They owed her backpay but tried to deny it saying she should have known to apply!!! HOW WOULD SHE KNOW THAT??? The system is BROKEN and they prey on grieving widows who don't know the rules!!! Make SURE your mother-in-law applies IMMEDIATELY and DEMAND any backpay if there's a delay!!!!
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Aisha Hussain
•Oh my goodness, that's terrible about your sister! Thank you for the warning. I'll definitely make sure we're proactive about this and will help my mother-in-law follow up if there are any issues.
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Ethan Clark
One more important point - since her husband was on SSDI (not retirement benefits), there's something called the Disability Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) that factors into the survivor calculation. In most cases, it works out to be the same amount he was receiving, but occasionally there can be small differences. The SSA representative will be able to calculate the exact amount, but she should expect somewhere very close to the $3,100 he was receiving. Also, payments are made in the month following the month they're for, so if he passed late in the month, that's important for determining when her new benefit rate begins.
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Aisha Hussain
•Thank you for explaining that. He passed on the 15th of the month, so I'm guessing that affects things. I'll make sure we ask specifically about the Disability PIA calculation. This is all so complicated... I appreciate everyone's help.
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StarStrider
is she on medicare? cuz that might change too with the higher benefit amount. might effect her part b premium or something idk really but worth asking
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Yuki Sato
•Good point. The higher income could potentially affect her IRMAA (Income-Related Monthly Adjustment Amount) for Medicare Part B and D premiums, though it would depend on her total income. If her total income increases significantly with the higher survivor benefit, she might move into a different IRMAA bracket, but this would typically not take effect until two years later since Medicare uses tax returns from two years prior to determine IRMAA.
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Aisha Hussain
Update: I went with my mother-in-law to the funeral home today and got 10 copies of the death certificate. We've scheduled an appointment with SSA for next week. They told us she should bring her ID, both their Social Security cards, marriage certificate, death certificate, and a recent bank statement. I'm going to go with her to make sure everything gets handled correctly. Thank you all for your advice - it's been incredibly helpful during this difficult time.
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Carmen Ruiz
•Smart to go with her! When I went with my mom, the SSA person almost forgot to mention the lump sum death benefit. It's only $255 but every bit helps. Sounds like you're on top of things!
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Zoe Alexopoulos
my friend said when her mom died the dad got a letter automatic like 2 weeks later and didnt have to do nothing. is that different for husbands vs wives or something?
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Yuki Sato
•No, gender doesn't matter for survivor benefits, but the process can vary depending on individual circumstances. If SSA already knows about the death (usually reported by the funeral home), they sometimes automatically process certain changes. However, survivor benefits typically require an application, especially when switching from your own benefit to a survivor benefit. Relying on automatic processing is risky - always better to be proactive and contact SSA directly.
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